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Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 46
Midnight_Shadows
The Real Batpony
@Sprite
I never disputed kink or fetish bwing sexual, that was kinda the point. . . The issue was the picture was neither kink, nor fetish, it was an innocent picture of an incontinent filly. I feel like you’re trying to create a problem where there isn’t one, like you’re trying to put words in my mouth, so I’ll take my leave from this thread now. G’day.
I never disputed kink or fetish bwing sexual, that was kinda the point. . . The issue was the picture was neither kink, nor fetish, it was an innocent picture of an incontinent filly. I feel like you’re trying to create a problem where there isn’t one, like you’re trying to put words in my mouth, so I’ll take my leave from this thread now. G’day.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 45
Sprite
That One Shitty Artist
@Midnight_Shadows
Not trying to be that guy, but by definition both kink and fetish are sexually based. The only difference being that fetishes are a requirement for one to reach climax.
But as for the whole debacle of incontinence and sexuality, I definitely understand that.
Not trying to be that guy, but by definition both kink and fetish are sexually based. The only difference being that fetishes are a requirement for one to reach climax.
But as for the whole debacle of incontinence and sexuality, I definitely understand that.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 44
Midnight_Shadows
The Real Batpony
@Sprite
That was me, the picture was of my OC, and you have the story wrong my friend. I don’t deny to having the fetish, I denied the picture being sexual; since fetish = sexual. Not everyone in diapers is there for sex, and the tag in the context of the picture implied that people who are incontinent are by default sexual; Which is discriminatory and insulting.
That was me, the picture was of my OC, and you have the story wrong my friend. I don’t deny to having the fetish, I denied the picture being sexual; since fetish = sexual. Not everyone in diapers is there for sex, and the tag in the context of the picture implied that people who are incontinent are by default sexual; Which is discriminatory and insulting.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 43
Sprite
That One Shitty Artist
@Midnight_Shadows
I think you have the problem backward. Someone was upset that an image of their incontinent, yet not ABDL, pony in diapers was tagged with “ABDL” and “Diaper Fetish” when they vehemently deny having that fetish.
It’s an extremely dumb situation to be in, and the current tag we have is probably the best answer to it. I’m not sure, though.
I think you have the problem backward. Someone was upset that an image of their incontinent, yet not ABDL, pony in diapers was tagged with “ABDL” and “Diaper Fetish” when they vehemently deny having that fetish.
It’s an extremely dumb situation to be in, and the current tag we have is probably the best answer to it. I’m not sure, though.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 42
Midnight_Shadows
The Real Batpony
@Princess Luna
I’m a bit late to the discussion here, but I’d like to propose the idea here that
A. If you’re searching “Diaper” to begin with, you should be prepared to see things that aren’t just foals in diapers.
B. I don’t think there’s really a reason for there to be a distinction between non-sexual related images of older than foals in diapers and foals in diapers. In the example of the first image listed, there is nothing sexual going on, the character is incontinent, there’s nothing abhorrent or appalling to see. In other instances (Wet or otherwuse used diapers, or open diapers on adults, or adults who are blatantly aroused, turned on, embarrassed for sexual gratification or the likes (Or foals for foalcon for those into that) things of the like) Then yeah, there should be some kind of “Diaper Fetish” or “Sexualized Diapers” as a tag.
The point I’m making here is, if you’re upset that an incontinent pony is in diapers in a completely innocent picture with no sexual overtones on the internet, you’re a snowflake.
I agree in tagging pictures that are blatantly explicit with some sort of tag like “Sexualized Diapers” and “Diaper” for pictures that aren’t sexualized. “Diaper Fetish” and “Sexualized Diapers” are more or less the same thing as a Fetish is pretty much always sexual.
I’m a bit late to the discussion here, but I’d like to propose the idea here that
A. If you’re searching “Diaper” to begin with, you should be prepared to see things that aren’t just foals in diapers.
B. I don’t think there’s really a reason for there to be a distinction between non-sexual related images of older than foals in diapers and foals in diapers. In the example of the first image listed, there is nothing sexual going on, the character is incontinent, there’s nothing abhorrent or appalling to see. In other instances (Wet or otherwuse used diapers, or open diapers on adults, or adults who are blatantly aroused, turned on, embarrassed for sexual gratification or the likes (Or foals for foalcon for those into that) things of the like) Then yeah, there should be some kind of “Diaper Fetish” or “Sexualized Diapers” as a tag.
The point I’m making here is, if you’re upset that an incontinent pony is in diapers in a completely innocent picture with no sexual overtones on the internet, you’re a snowflake.
I agree in tagging pictures that are blatantly explicit with some sort of tag like “Sexualized Diapers” and “Diaper” for pictures that aren’t sexualized. “Diaper Fetish” and “Sexualized Diapers” are more or less the same thing as a Fetish is pretty much always sexual.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 41
Princess Luna
Senior Moderator
Site Developer
Tag Czar
@Background Pony #2788
In how I apply ratings, expected audience reaction is not considered, as it’s far too messy with how to reason about things and creates utter nonsense like parts of the show being Suggestive. Ratings are currently more structured around societal limits on what you can show. The issue here is that kids shows can quite heavily use diaper humor.
This thread seems to have gone in circles a lot, so there isn’t much more to add. It’s going to be difficult to keep ratings consistent no matter what, but I think the two tags at issue are at least generally sane.
In how I apply ratings, expected audience reaction is not considered, as it’s far too messy with how to reason about things and creates utter nonsense like parts of the show being Suggestive. Ratings are currently more structured around societal limits on what you can show. The issue here is that kids shows can quite heavily use diaper humor.
This thread seems to have gone in circles a lot, so there isn’t much more to add. It’s going to be difficult to keep ratings consistent no matter what, but I think the two tags at issue are at least generally sane.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 40
sparklepopshine
With this logic, a random safe image of Twilight Sparkle should be marked as a fetish because someone out there is going to be turned on by it.
If it has diapers in it, those with a diaper fetish are going to be sexually aroused by it, no matter how innocent it looks.
With this logic, a random safe image of Twilight Sparkle should be marked as a fetish because someone out there is going to be turned on by it.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 39
Sprite
That One Shitty Artist
@Background Pony #2788
This is inherently false. There is numerous images on the site that contain diapers that do not arouse me. Be it mixing in with other fetishes I don’t like, it’s poorly drawn, or it’s on something like elderly or the very young.
This is inherently false. There is numerous images on the site that contain diapers that do not arouse me. Be it mixing in with other fetishes I don’t like, it’s poorly drawn, or it’s on something like elderly or the very young.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 38
Background Pony #2788
@sparklepopshine
That is not a clear distinction and the age regression tag is already a thing… And just further makes the point that needlessly complicating the tagging system over incredibly minor differences in images revolving around the same subject is pointless. If it has diapers in it, those with a diaper fetish are going to be sexually aroused by it, no matter how innocent it looks. Also the term “diaper lover” is pretty much just another phrase for diaper fetishist and is somewhat redundant imo. Also, the incontinence issue has been discussed, and as stated before, there is quite a lot of fetish content involving it.
That is not a clear distinction and the age regression tag is already a thing… And just further makes the point that needlessly complicating the tagging system over incredibly minor differences in images revolving around the same subject is pointless. If it has diapers in it, those with a diaper fetish are going to be sexually aroused by it, no matter how innocent it looks. Also the term “diaper lover” is pretty much just another phrase for diaper fetishist and is somewhat redundant imo. Also, the incontinence issue has been discussed, and as stated before, there is quite a lot of fetish content involving it.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 37
sparklepopshine
Picture 2
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tags:
Pic: A stallion dressed in a foalish-designed dress who is sad
and in shock because their toy blocks fell over and they worked
really hard on it! They look comfortable being in this
situation, otherwise.
I tried to have the images as close together as possible in description, but one is clearly made to arouse the viewer and the other is just simply showing littles having wholesome moments together or experiencing some sort of feeling. There needs to be some sort of education about this in the ABDL community as a whole, but it should be an absolute line between a
I guess I see it like this:
———––
———––
(Feel free to make suggestions for these lists and I can update accordingly)
But yeah, I’m curious if this helps add to this discussion at all. I can clarify anything I said here.
-SPS
Hey, I don’t know if it’s too late to contribute to this conversation, but just wanted to throw my two cents in.
I guess if I would have to draw an absolute line (and I apologize if this has already been brought up), I think it would be at whether the picture was intended to be a fetish, meant to embarrass/arouse the wearer, and whether it’s just something the wearer just simply enjoys the moment for comfort or safety, for example.
Think of it being like these two scenarios:
Picture 1
———————————————————––
tags:
Pic: A stallion who clearly is embarrassed and feeling ashamed
because he is dressed in an all frilly dress which is designed
specifically to show off a diaper. He clearly doesn’t not want
the humiliation, but he is forced to one way or another.
I guess if I would have to draw an absolute line (and I apologize if this has already been brought up), I think it would be at whether the picture was intended to be a fetish, meant to embarrass/arouse the wearer, and whether it’s just something the wearer just simply enjoys the moment for comfort or safety, for example.
Think of it being like these two scenarios:
Picture 1
———————————————————––
tags:
diaper fetish
, non-baby in diaper
, suggestive
Pic: A stallion who clearly is embarrassed and feeling ashamed
because he is dressed in an all frilly dress which is designed
specifically to show off a diaper. He clearly doesn’t not want
the humiliation, but he is forced to one way or another.
Picture 2
———————————————————––
tags:
sissy baby
, age regression
, safe
Pic: A stallion dressed in a foalish-designed dress who is sad
and in shock because their toy blocks fell over and they worked
really hard on it! They look comfortable being in this
situation, otherwise.
I tried to have the images as close together as possible in description, but one is clearly made to arouse the viewer and the other is just simply showing littles having wholesome moments together or experiencing some sort of feeling. There needs to be some sort of education about this in the ABDL community as a whole, but it should be an absolute line between a
safe
age regression
image vs a suggestive
ageplay
image.I guess I see it like this:
safe
- Images meant to present a moment or a feeling ———––
age regression
- NOT ‘ageplay’ incontinent
- alternatively ‘medical incontinence’suggestive
(+) - Images meant to clearly arouse the viewer ———––
ageplay
- NOT ‘age regression’ diaper fetish
sissy baby
diaper lover
forced regression
- could be lumped in with ‘ageplay’(Feel free to make suggestions for these lists and I can update accordingly)
But yeah, I’m curious if this helps add to this discussion at all. I can clarify anything I said here.
-SPS
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 36
Twilights-Secret
Comfy Pones
@Sprite
Oh, wasn’t commenting on them specifically. Of course some people actually need them and only may or may not actually have a fetish for them. Never denied that.
Just that if their non-fetish art is indistinguishable from fetish art, it only muddles things to distinguish it in tagging. And I think there’ll be far more cases of people with a fetish (who are in denial) denying their fetish than there will be cases of non-fetishists getting lumped in with fetishists, just based on my experience with diaperpone artists.
Oh, wasn’t commenting on them specifically. Of course some people actually need them and only may or may not actually have a fetish for them. Never denied that.
Just that if their non-fetish art is indistinguishable from fetish art, it only muddles things to distinguish it in tagging. And I think there’ll be far more cases of people with a fetish (who are in denial) denying their fetish than there will be cases of non-fetishists getting lumped in with fetishists, just based on my experience with diaperpone artists.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 35
Sprite
That One Shitty Artist
@Twilights-Secret
Yes, it’s definitely an issue that cannot be black and white as some others have tried to put it earlier. It’s an entire spectrum where any given person can fall on.
But I think you’re still taking it out of context. This person was born with weak control, so they were in padding since day 1. They were given attempts to potty train growing up, something happened, and it just didn’t work out. They struggled during that anyway. The current control they have is both from potty training problems and legit incontinence-like issues. They can make it for bowel movements, but struggle extremely hard with getting there to urinate.
Yes, it’s definitely an issue that cannot be black and white as some others have tried to put it earlier. It’s an entire spectrum where any given person can fall on.
But I think you’re still taking it out of context. This person was born with weak control, so they were in padding since day 1. They were given attempts to potty train growing up, something happened, and it just didn’t work out. They struggled during that anyway. The current control they have is both from potty training problems and legit incontinence-like issues. They can make it for bowel movements, but struggle extremely hard with getting there to urinate.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 34
Twilights-Secret
Comfy Pones
@Sprite
10-15%… I’d be kinda surprised but I could believe it.
Also fetish doesn’t necessarily mean sexual. It just often is. But sometimes it’s not. Well, either that or they’re in denial, but it’d be impossible to tell between those two.
I think someone who likes diapers and becomes incontinent on purpose is one thing.
But if it’s on accident but a result of them using diapers voluntarily too much, that blurs the line a little.
But the best example of line-blurring is probably someone who didn’t have the fetish, then needed them, despite not wanting them, only to come to like them over time, and eventually love them.
How the heck do you classify that? Heh.
Because it’s fetish. But it’s fetish acquired due to a legitimate unwanted incontinence issue.
10-15%… I’d be kinda surprised but I could believe it.
Also fetish doesn’t necessarily mean sexual. It just often is. But sometimes it’s not. Well, either that or they’re in denial, but it’d be impossible to tell between those two.
I think someone who likes diapers and becomes incontinent on purpose is one thing.
But if it’s on accident but a result of them using diapers voluntarily too much, that blurs the line a little.
But the best example of line-blurring is probably someone who didn’t have the fetish, then needed them, despite not wanting them, only to come to like them over time, and eventually love them.
How the heck do you classify that? Heh.
Because it’s fetish. But it’s fetish acquired due to a legitimate unwanted incontinence issue.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 33
Sprite
That One Shitty Artist
@Twilights-Secret
Yes, it’s a large mixing pot of a whole bunch of stuff. However, I know this person doesn’t have a sexual attraction to ABDL related stuff. There’s many people out there like it, and they were not one that made themselves incontinent – they were born with weak control already (that and a potty training mishap made things worse for them, poor person…)
I wouldn’t say that it’s a 5%. I’d say it’s more along the lines of 10% to 15%.
Yes, it’s a large mixing pot of a whole bunch of stuff. However, I know this person doesn’t have a sexual attraction to ABDL related stuff. There’s many people out there like it, and they were not one that made themselves incontinent – they were born with weak control already (that and a potty training mishap made things worse for them, poor person…)
I wouldn’t say that it’s a 5%. I’d say it’s more along the lines of 10% to 15%.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 32
Twilights-Secret
Comfy Pones
@Sprite
No, it’s true from what I’ve seen. I’ve seen numerous diaper tumblers, comics, characters/series with incontinent characters and never once has it not been someone with the fetish making fetish content.
I’ve seen enough that I feel very confident in saying that what you have is part of that rare, exceptional 5%, assuming that person doesn’t have the fetish at all.
Keep in mind I said 95%, not 100%. Maybe there’s a small exceptional group out there but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it. I don’t think anyone in diapers would want the world to know.
I’ve also seen plenty of examples of people who made themselves incontinent because of the fetish.
No, it’s true from what I’ve seen. I’ve seen numerous diaper tumblers, comics, characters/series with incontinent characters and never once has it not been someone with the fetish making fetish content.
I’ve seen enough that I feel very confident in saying that what you have is part of that rare, exceptional 5%, assuming that person doesn’t have the fetish at all.
Keep in mind I said 95%, not 100%. Maybe there’s a small exceptional group out there but I don’t think I’ve ever seen it. I don’t think anyone in diapers would want the world to know.
I’ve also seen plenty of examples of people who made themselves incontinent because of the fetish.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 31
Sprite
That One Shitty Artist
@Twilights-Secret
Not true in the slightest. I’m actually good friends with someone who’s character reflects them. They’re mostly incontinent and aren’t into the sexual side of ABDL. Their characters reflect this as well.
Not true in the slightest. I’m actually good friends with someone who’s character reflects them. They’re mostly incontinent and aren’t into the sexual side of ABDL. Their characters reflect this as well.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 30
Twilights-Secret
Comfy Pones
@Sprite
If they’re a fictional character, then unless it’s kept so discrete the reader/viewer could easily miss it (like paralyzed from the waist down but incontinence is never once brought up), like 95% of the time their author had a fetish.
If they’re a fictional character, then unless it’s kept so discrete the reader/viewer could easily miss it (like paralyzed from the waist down but incontinence is never once brought up), like 95% of the time their author had a fetish.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 29
Sprite
That One Shitty Artist
@Background Pony #2A51
And that’s fine. I’m indifferent about the image myself (mostly since that user is quite annoying to me.) But from the outside in, it is pretty fetishy.
And that’s fine. I’m indifferent about the image myself (mostly since that user is quite annoying to me.) But from the outside in, it is pretty fetishy.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 28
Background Pony #2A51
@Sprite
That’s not how I see that image. Not saying you’re wrong, just sharing my view
That’s not how I see that image. Not saying you’re wrong, just sharing my view
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 27
Sprite
That One Shitty Artist
@Background Pony #2A51
Diaper edits are more often than not considered to be within the sexual fetish side of things.
Diaper edits are more often than not considered to be within the sexual fetish side of things.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 25
Sprite
That One Shitty Artist
@Princess Luna
As I said before, even within the ABDL community, we don’t have a “safe” term for non-sexual ABDL engagement. It’s just a giant mess.
As I said before, even within the ABDL community, we don’t have a “safe” term for non-sexual ABDL engagement. It’s just a giant mess.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 24
Princess Luna
Senior Moderator
Site Developer
Tag Czar
@Twilights-Secret
In regards to characters in underwear, do remember we’re a pony site, so it’s incredibly common for a ponified character to have either no clothing on their back half, or a much more minimal version, compared to the original thing, which for diapers will mean exposed diapers quite often; this makes it a bit harder to separate things out with common art content.
Overall, the impression I’m getting right now is there’s a lot of uncertainty about delineation of content, which isn’t too surprising.
In regards to characters in underwear, do remember we’re a pony site, so it’s incredibly common for a ponified character to have either no clothing on their back half, or a much more minimal version, compared to the original thing, which for diapers will mean exposed diapers quite often; this makes it a bit harder to separate things out with common art content.
Overall, the impression I’m getting right now is there’s a lot of uncertainty about delineation of content, which isn’t too surprising.
Tagging Discussion » Tag "diaper fetish" name and definition mismatch » Post 23
Sprite
That One Shitty Artist
@Twilights-Secret
What about people who are born incontinent or develop it over time but aren’t ABDL? Are they automatically lumped into the group?
What about people who are born incontinent or develop it over time but aren’t ABDL? Are they automatically lumped into the group?
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