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Background Pony #D71C
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 58
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@Background Pony #A457
You are deliberately ignoring that a culture of free speech and a law of free speech are related and separate concepts. Also, rhetoric about normalization is a bunch of spooky action at a distance silliness.
@zidders
You already said that (with the exact same unnecessary apostrophe)
You are deliberately ignoring that a culture of free speech and a law of free speech are related and separate concepts. Also, rhetoric about normalization is a bunch of spooky action at a distance silliness.
@zidders
You already said that (with the exact same unnecessary apostrophe)
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 56
Background Pony #A457
@Hisexpliciteditor
A website deciding they don’t want to promote racist rhetoric on their website is NOT CENSORSHIP. They’re a private entity. They get to decide what sorts of material and/or discussion is allowed here and what isn’t. CENSORSHIP is “the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security”. It only refers to when a GOVERNMENT suppresses free speech. As far as being authoritative goes i’m pretty sure if someone was harassing you on this website you’d have no issue with using said authoritative leanings to your benefit by having the mods band your harasser.
Stop sticking up for bigots. All pro-Nazi art & writing does is engender more racist rhetoric. We’ve seen this all throughout history. We know this from countless studies done over the decades. Websites should absolutely keep Nazi rhetoric from being normalized.
A website deciding they don’t want to promote racist rhetoric on their website is NOT CENSORSHIP. They’re a private entity. They get to decide what sorts of material and/or discussion is allowed here and what isn’t. CENSORSHIP is “the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security”. It only refers to when a GOVERNMENT suppresses free speech. As far as being authoritative goes i’m pretty sure if someone was harassing you on this website you’d have no issue with using said authoritative leanings to your benefit by having the mods band your harasser.
Stop sticking up for bigots. All pro-Nazi art & writing does is engender more racist rhetoric. We’ve seen this all throughout history. We know this from countless studies done over the decades. Websites should absolutely keep Nazi rhetoric from being normalized.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 55
Hisexpliciteditor 
Survivor of MW2 Lobbies
When these “nazis” are less censorious and authoritative currently. You need to question what side your on.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 54
Northern
I refuse to bend
@Background Pony #D897
Alright. These are worth addressing, thank you for your reply. I will gladly explain.
Alright. These are worth addressing, thank you for your reply. I will gladly explain.
“No, see, it’s the people who don’t want to let in actual, literal Nazis who are the REAL Nazis!”
This is not a counterargument. I would love to hear it if you have one, but the bottom line is, it’s the truth. This is what is happening here. If you see the parallels with Nazism, if you see the way that things are being done as a parallel with Nazism then dismissing the concept as absurd without looking into the actual actions being taken is exactly what enabling Naziesque behavior looks like. I argue for the protection of speech and the right to speak of anyone. The right to speak does not mean the right to discriminate based on personal characteristics, to include, in this case, people who make Nazi jokes that the staff does not wish to consider comedy because they use racism as a dark comedic implement.
If you actually believe that, then how do you rationalize tolerating the presence of values that are so obviously opposed to it.
The presence of values does not in any way equate to the implementation of practices that align with those values. If the Nazi memers were trying to actively push out or silence other groups in the community from a position of any authority I would be just as opposed to them as I am to the current push against them. Becoming the enemy of free speech and representation of the entire community to excise a portion of the community you disagree with is an unacceptable standard and is the exact reason why these people are being said to be removed in the first place, negating the point of removing them. It is not simply that there are no bad tactics, merely bad targets – some tactics are absolutely abhorrent, no matter who they are used against. Silencing and censorship is one such tactic.
“Hey, you’re the guys who engineered the ruthless and systematic murder of millions of IRL people” is totally just as trivial as “Hey, I don’t personally like you.”
Yep.
Totally.
Number one: Not a single person among the group that is being targeted ever took part in a single warcrime of the Nazis. Number two: Not a single person among the group that is being targeted ever avowed in a serious tone the ruthless and systematic murder of millions of IRL people. Number three: Even if they had avowed such a thing, they lack the position of authority to enact their vision in the first place and keeping them from having that authority is better served by hearing and mocking their viewpoint than pushing it off in the margin to grow unopposed. Number four: My stance has never included allowing calls for actionable real-world violence in any way, nor personal harassment. Number five: It is as trivial as it sounds when you put it that way, because no one in the group currently being suppressed is capable of harming other members of the community directly with memes, especially when the filters are activated on this site.
Ignoring the context of what the group in question did to earn their “fuck you” because of how many people they’ve hurt and how many more people their philosophy advocates hurting in the future if they ever gain the power to do so is unbelievably tone-deaf and dishonest.
No one is ignoring the history of Nazism here. I would argue the same for any group, literally, any group. I’ve done so in the past for social justice when it was unfashionable, the Westboro Baptist Church, Gay Rights, Trans Rights, etc. No one deserves to be silenced or told that their opinion is not allowed in a group that they’re a part of, so long as they are not, in voicing said opinion, calling for actual real world violence or targeted harassment of individuals. Freedom of expression supersedes the right to silence those with bad ideas, because the right to silence those with bad ideas in the wrong hands is the right to silence those who oppose bad ideas. Giving the right to censor others to anyone is providing the justification for those who would censor you to do so when they’re in control without your right to argue against it:
“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.”
is no less poignant when written as;
“First they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Nazi.”
There is nothing dishonest about what I’ve said. I have done nothing but advocate equal treatment that does not discriminate based on any factors – to include Race, Sex, Religion, Political Group, Ideology or any other personally identifying characteristic. The only difference between me and you is that I don’t believe that silencing the speech of another group’s ideology is a good thing, even if I’m opposed to them. I would not silence you or the mods or admins had I the power to and I will not stand by and allow the this community to become ruled by those who would silence others so long as I can continue to argue against it.
“First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.”
is no less poignant when written as;
“First they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Nazi.”
There is nothing dishonest about what I’ve said. I have done nothing but advocate equal treatment that does not discriminate based on any factors – to include Race, Sex, Religion, Political Group, Ideology or any other personally identifying characteristic. The only difference between me and you is that I don’t believe that silencing the speech of another group’s ideology is a good thing, even if I’m opposed to them. I would not silence you or the mods or admins had I the power to and I will not stand by and allow the this community to become ruled by those who would silence others so long as I can continue to argue against it.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 53
Background Pony #D897
“No, see, it’s the people who don’t want to let in actual, literal Nazis who are the REAL Nazis!”
If you actually believe that, then how do you rationalize tolerating the presence of values that are so obviously opposed to it.
“Hey, you’re the guys who engineered the ruthless and systematic murder of millions of IRL people” is totally just as trivial as “Hey, I don’t personally like you.”
Yep.
Totally.
@Northern
Ignoring the context of what the group in question did to earn their “fuck you” because of how many people they’ve hurt and how many more people their philosophy advocates hurting in the future if they ever gain the power to do so is unbelievably tone-deaf and dishonest.
when those in control would deny the right to exist within the community to those they disagree with.
“No, see, it’s the people who don’t want to let in actual, literal Nazis who are the REAL Nazis!”
Everypony deserves equal treatment, regardless of their beliefs or philosophies, regardless of their mentality, regardless of any mitigating factors.
If you actually believe that, then how do you rationalize tolerating the presence of values that are so obviously opposed to it.
No one deserves to have their expression muted or silenced because those with a measure of control over the platform that was up to this point the primary art archive for the community do not like them. That is, almost without exception, what is happening here.
“Hey, you’re the guys who engineered the ruthless and systematic murder of millions of IRL people” is totally just as trivial as “Hey, I don’t personally like you.”
Yep.
Totally.
@Northern
That’s the exact attitude that causes Nazis. “Fuck this group” because they’re bad.
Ignoring the context of what the group in question did to earn their “fuck you” because of how many people they’ve hurt and how many more people their philosophy advocates hurting in the future if they ever gain the power to do so is unbelievably tone-deaf and dishonest.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 50
Northern
I refuse to bend
@Clear Vision
This controversy drew attention to the fact that Derpibooru can no longer be trusted as an art archive, let alone the primary art archive for a community as diverse as this one, when those in control would deny the right to exist within the community to those they disagree with. I’ve seen the term “Undesirables” used by the staff, which is absolutely a violation of the tenets of their own rule #0, which stated, back in the day, “Be excellent to each other.”
‘Each other’, being the key phrase here. Everypony deserves equal treatment, regardless of their beliefs or philosophies, regardless of their mentality, regardless of any mitigating factors. No group deserves to be protected over another unevenly. And most importantly… No one deserves to have their expression muted or silenced because those with a measure of control over the platform that was up to this point the primary art archive for the community do not like them. That is, almost without exception, what is happening here.
This controversy drew attention to the fact that Derpibooru can no longer be trusted as an art archive, let alone the primary art archive for a community as diverse as this one, when those in control would deny the right to exist within the community to those they disagree with. I’ve seen the term “Undesirables” used by the staff, which is absolutely a violation of the tenets of their own rule #0, which stated, back in the day, “Be excellent to each other.”
‘Each other’, being the key phrase here. Everypony deserves equal treatment, regardless of their beliefs or philosophies, regardless of their mentality, regardless of any mitigating factors. No group deserves to be protected over another unevenly. And most importantly… No one deserves to have their expression muted or silenced because those with a measure of control over the platform that was up to this point the primary art archive for the community do not like them. That is, almost without exception, what is happening here.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 49
Clear Vision 
So far the main argument that I’ve seen is that they believe that art should be preserved (as well as the history of the fandom), but why do that now after the controversy has happened?
Petrolhead Artist
That the unnecessary evil that was created, after this whole DNPs civil war fiasco. They have the choice of denying artists control of their artwork and be just a art archiving site or be a alternative to Derpibooru.
So far the main argument that I’ve seen is that they believe that art should be preserved (as well as the history of the fandom), but why do that now after the controversy has happened?
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 48
Hisexpliciteditor
Survivor of MW2 Lobbies
Also, my concern with having things spread over several boorus is having to browse duplicate content to on multiple sites to find unique stuff, it can already get a bit time consuming to keep up with just one booru on more active days, trying to do so with 2-4 boorus will be prohibitively so.
The problem here is that many of these sites are just importing directly from Derpibooru, have (almost) no rules and out of those that you listed, only Ponybooru even offers DNPs, or a chance for artists to be listened to at all. If an artist doesn’t want their work posted somewhere, there’s a reason. My reason is that these sites have poorly written rules, some of my links in the descriptions are broken and I cannot change it, or they’re just extremely unprofessional/4chan-esque.I don’t care about being pro or anti-censorship, I just want control over my own artwork in terms of how and where it’s publicly displayed, and that shouldn’t be too much to ask for. What other artists choose to do with their work is not my business.
That the unnecessary evil that was created, after this whole DNPs civil war fiasco. They have the choice of denying artists control of their artwork and be just a art archiving site or be a alternative to Derpibooru.
@Background Pony #575A
@Background Pony #575A
Why would I care about a website run by a bunch of actual psychopaths and communists
Because they bring in a bunch of pedos and child molesters scandals. While simultaneously banning people that don’t “toe the line” or they don’t like in general.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 47
Background Pony #575A
Why would I care about a website run by a bunch of actual psychopaths and communists
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 46
Background Pony #10CA
@Background Pony #8317
but I dont care about the future of this site. im utterly sick of people stepping on my freedom, and the moderation team has proven to be fucking evil. its over.
but I dont care about the future of this site. im utterly sick of people stepping on my freedom, and the moderation team has proven to be fucking evil. its over.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 45
Background Pony #9C09
@Cosoca
I am pretty sure MySpace also thought it will never be replaced.
And look where it is now.
Same might be coming for Derpibooru if they do not read the writing on the wall.
I am pretty sure MySpace also thought it will never be replaced.
And look where it is now.
Same might be coming for Derpibooru if they do not read the writing on the wall.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 42
Cosoca 
*Blocks Your Path*
@Background Pony #8317
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I wonder if this is what the admins thought would happen when they decided to kow tow to some ego tripping twitter goons.
If this website dies you can’t blame the people filing DNPs, they didn’t start this garbage and there is no problem with them not wanting their works associated with whatever this site claims to stand for, which depending on who you ask, is either Nazi Sympathy or radical authoritarianism on behalf of some communist twitter lunatics.
And whether you like it or not, Altboorus ARE the solution, competition will solve this problem, if Derpibooru cant do what is necessary to keep its users then it will die and be replaced. Derpibooru is a platform, the onus is 100% on them to make this a favorable place for producers and consumers to congregate, if they will not do that then they should die off so someone who will provide that platform can take their place, it’s as simple as that.
Working as intended.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I wonder if this is what the admins thought would happen when they decided to kow tow to some ego tripping twitter goons.
If this website dies you can’t blame the people filing DNPs, they didn’t start this garbage and there is no problem with them not wanting their works associated with whatever this site claims to stand for, which depending on who you ask, is either Nazi Sympathy or radical authoritarianism on behalf of some communist twitter lunatics.
And whether you like it or not, Altboorus ARE the solution, competition will solve this problem, if Derpibooru cant do what is necessary to keep its users then it will die and be replaced. Derpibooru is a platform, the onus is 100% on them to make this a favorable place for producers and consumers to congregate, if they will not do that then they should die off so someone who will provide that platform can take their place, it’s as simple as that.
Working as intended.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 41
Derpy Whooves 
Yours was a simple DNP, no takedown. Those get handled faster because they are faster.
Looking For My Doctor
And they’ve not all be sorted, either. I did mine 28 days ago and it’s still not been done. So either there’s a LOT of DNPs or they’re just ignoring them.
What did you give as your reason? I recently requested a DNP on Derpi and got it done on the same day, so maybe your request was deliberately ignored.
Yours was a simple DNP, no takedown. Those get handled faster because they are faster.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 38
Background Pony #A374
@Background Pony #8E41
There are a lot, Derpy has said its going to take at least a couple weeks to sort through everything.
There are a lot, Derpy has said its going to take at least a couple weeks to sort through everything.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 37
Clear Vision
Petrolhead Artist
@Background Pony #8E41
What did you give as your reason? I recently requested a DNP on Derpi and got it done on the same day, so maybe your request was deliberately ignored.
What did you give as your reason? I recently requested a DNP on Derpi and got it done on the same day, so maybe your request was deliberately ignored.
Site and Policy » Artists, you shouldn't DNP if you care about the future of site! » Post 36
Background Pony #8E41
@Wiimeiser
And they’ve not all be sorted, either. I did mine 28 days ago and it’s still not been done. So either there’s a LOT of DNPs or they’re just ignoring them.
And they’ve not all be sorted, either. I did mine 28 days ago and it’s still not been done. So either there’s a LOT of DNPs or they’re just ignoring them.
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