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Frosku
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@Princess Luna
But Neighsay, pre-reformation, basically did say that. Depicting Neighsay doing something which discriminates against other species can be done either as a mouthpiece or as an in-character depiction of a racist character being a racist, which imo has artistic merit and shouldn't be banned.

@Background Pony #F329
I wouldn't want to see ACAB banned any more than I'd want to see something like "jail the bankers" or "all politicians lie" or "fake news" banned. Generally it's more acceptable to disparage a job than it is to disparage something innate to a person. I'm not, in general, a fan of the habit of using canon ponies to mouthpiece political opinions though (despite having been historically guilty of it).
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@Princess Luna
Still waiting on an answer.
Is "All cops are bastards" a discriminatory statement or not?
I even further clarified my point in a later post when it was argued that the phrase has nuance.
See, i get that it has nuanced meaning behind the phrase, but that's not the point.
"Bastard" is a slur.
"All cops are Bastards." is calling every single cop a slur.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE I AM NOT SERIOUSLY ADVOCATING TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS
If i say "I hate niggers" and then go on to explain that i don't dislike black people, only the portion of black people that are criminals in the eyes of the law, that doesn't change the facts that i'm both using a slur and being discriminatory towards a group.
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Princess Luna
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Notoriously Divine Tagger - Consistently uploads images above and beyond the minimum tag requirements. And/or additionally, bringing over the original description from the source if the image has one. Does NOT apply to the uploader adding several to a dozen tags after originally uploading with minimum to bare tagging.
Cool Crow - "Caw!" An awesome tagger
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@Frosku
The show didn't in its context appear to say to go out and be racist, which is quite important for this. We don't want people using Neighsay as a mouthpiece to hate other races.

@Armagedonus
Criticizing isn't the same as namecalling. You could say that they did bad things ("TSP fucked up things royally" etc.), but you couldn't go "woot is a retard", nor "Anyone who likes Aryanne is a dick".
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tehwatever
Friendship, Art, and Magic (2020) - Took part in the 2020 Community Collab
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Friendship, Art, and Magic (2019) - Celebrated Derpibooru's seventh year anniversary with friends.

@Egil
I don't want the police arresting that kid btw. I would rather the police told the parents to please kick the boy's arse because he doesn't know where he's at.
Is what I said…
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Frosku
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@Armagedonus
I think there's a line between criticism and namecalling, I'm also not sure I'd want to see Derpi turned into a battleground of critiques of other users' conduct. I'm conflicted on this.

I'd define low effort shitposts as non-transformational edits or randomly photoshopped compilations designed entirely to push a political agenda. You can use the little to no artistic merit test which is fairly well-defined.
Armagedonus
Duck - Thinks minorities should make their OWN ponds if they want to swim.
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@Frosku
A picture can't cause physical violence, but it's not a stretch to say it can inspire it in a politically charged environment.

Which only exist outside derpibooru.
I mean, we have filters and rule 4, so it is rather hard to create "politically charged environment".
Calling other users names I'd want covered in #newrule though.

Wouldn't that mean that we cannot criticize wootmaster or TSP in artpieces?
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Goku Black
Dream Come True! - Participated in the MLP 9th Anniversary Event
Wallet After Summer Sale -
A Tale For The Ages - Celebrated MLP's 35th Anniversary and FiM's 8th Anniversary
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Zamasu
I just had to remind my coworker that I am the lead for our department and of his responsibilities as well as mine after he gave me an attitude and accusing me of "rushing" him.

Does he not realize that this is a busy season we have quotas to meet?
Frosku
Wallet After Summer Sale -
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@Princess Luna
I mean if you're going to allow mouthpiecing for other potentially offensive groups like BLM, antifa etc then I'd be in favor of allowing all mouthpiecing and just force it to be tagged. Calling other users names I'd want covered in #newrule though.

@Princess Luna
The part about fictional races being covered by discrimination seems unreasonable. Discrimination is a theme in the actual TV show, when the ponies first meet Zecora and more blatantly with Chancellor Neighsay.

@Armagedonus
A picture can't cause physical violence, but it's not a stretch to say it can inspire it in a politically charged environment.
Princess Luna
My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
Notoriously Divine Tagger - Consistently uploads images above and beyond the minimum tag requirements. And/or additionally, bringing over the original description from the source if the image has one. Does NOT apply to the uploader adding several to a dozen tags after originally uploading with minimum to bare tagging.
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@Background Pony #1450
Fictional races still count for discrimination, yes. We don't want people to simply be able to substitute things around.

@Yumenmita
Seems it was deleted because of the artist's artist upload only DNP. I'll have to go deal with that.

@Background Pony #CA60
On low-effort trolling, don't see any problems, unless the plantation-overlay stuff originally didn't have said overly. I don't think any of these are advocating for killing anyone; they portray hurting people, but "advocating" is a rather strict standard. Not seeing anything else that would be a problem.

@Frosku
So…what we have but with racism mouthpiece stuff and calling other users names allowed?
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@Inucroft
Bullshit. Rabid leftist authoritarians love nothing more than to virtue signal their fake outrage over every possibly little thing, if there was "a large nazi problem for 6 years" not a single one of them would have been silent about it. Stop inventing imaginary threats to pretend you're a victim.
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Frosku
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@NamelessNP
Personally I would be in favor of restricting rule 0 to comments/forums/etc, and creating a new, much more relaxed rule for content which only forbids low effort shitposts, illegal content, and calls for physical violence.
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NamelessNP
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My Little Pony - 1992 Edition
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@Armagedonus

No we definitely need a rule 0 to keep comments and discussion civil so we don't have a free for all of insults, personal attacks and such, the point of contention is how to apply it to content
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Frosku
Wallet After Summer Sale -
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@Background Pony #9806
Simply put, rule 5 is not nebulous. An image either is, or is not, a rule 5 violation. That requires no interpretation on the part of the member of staff processing the rule 5 report. The recent voting on various potentially racist imagery had one image where the staff were all agreed on whether it was a violation or not, many were in the 30/70 to 70/30 range which suggests that actually, there is no objective standard for rule zero (if there was, we would expect most images to be ~90% one way and ~10% the other way or better.

@RandomBlank
The main issue with the staff poll is that whilst we might be fine with the outcome of votes, removal requests are not handled by vote. What that means is that if an image is 40%, it has a 40% chance of being reviewed by someone who thinks it's a problem, and a 60% chance of being reviewed by someone who doesn't — whether it remains on the site or not will be 100% down to who reviews the image. That's not a reasonable level of predictability.
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