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For all her shortcomings and bad days, she’s quite the character, and we love her for it.

Alot like Derpy, in a way.
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Huh, that’s kind of interesting.

So it sounds like Trixie got pretty lucky, all-in-all?

I’d say it was less luck, and more the fact that she turned out legitimately interesting. Both due to quirks of the writing, and Kathleen Barr’s excellent performance.

I doubt Discord, Chrysalis, Cadence or any of the guest stars and villains would have appeared again if a combination of their quirks, vocal performances and fan reaction hadn’t inspired them to bring them back.
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Cadence would have definitely appeared again

I don’t know. I’m not sure making her a recurring character was on the agenda when they first got the order to write "PINK WEDDING PRINCESS!" into a episode.

Of course once the episode turned out to be one of the most giddily fun in the show so far and they got the effortlessly charming Britt McKillip in to voice her and be open to returning again, I imagine McCarthy was already starting on the draft for ’Crystal Empire’.
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I’m not so sure that fan reactions particularly influenced Cadance appearing again, since her debut was in the S2 finale, and her next appearance was in the S3 premiere.

Plus she did catch flak for being an alicorn that essentially appeared out of nowhere, once upon a time.

Chrysalis, Trixie, and Discord though? Fan reactions probably did influence them coming back.

Overall though? Good point.
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Discord turned around so fast they probably always meant to bring him back, and Trixie’s return was probably going to happen anyways. Chrysalis, on the other hand, is a good contender, and Trixie for her post S3 appearances.
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I don’t think it was intentional at all.

I think the writer of that episode really did expect us to root for the hecklers.

(As for who wrote it… there’s a different can of worms one can talk about, regarding real life events, but that’s another story entirely, since art can be separated from the artist, or something)
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It was not, like not in the slightest. I bet that’s even a part of why people sympathized with her so much: she was legitimately victimized and nothing and no one in the show seemed to care at all. People who think she was as bad a person as the show tried to make her out to be are pretty rare, and even most of them agree getting her cart smashed was too severe of payback for what she actually did :P

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If there is one thing the show was legit bad at in Season 1, it’s how the Mane Six always had the moral high ground no matter how bad they seemed to act. Like, Trixie and Gilda lashing out at the Mane Six was made out to be irredeemably bad, despite them both having pretty solid reasons behind it, while stuff like booting a dragon in the face for no reason or ruining the Gala were made out to be totally fine, despite it being arguably worse behavior :P
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Celestia really wanted the Gala ruined. Of course irl Celestia would be sued, but she had an aboslute power if we talk about rulling (Before season8).
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Sad to say, she’d probably have come back a lot more interesting a character if she hadn’t come back stapled to that character :/
well, too bad. you can’t always get what you want. :v

it’s far less likely Trixie appears on her own than with Glim Glam.

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I think her being a legitimately sympathetic character played a big part in it too. Like, she was WAY more sympathetic than the characters bullying her or the characters who brought the ursa to town :P
I hated that episode. Trixie was blamed for all the shit the Mane Six and Beavis and Butt-Head put her through. :/
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I’m still not sure if it was intentional that Trixie would come across as so sympathetic.
I’m still somewhat surprised people thought she was. I mean I would have understood if it had been clear her on stage persona was all an act, but she was just as haughty and full of herself (undeservedly) offstage as well. She just reminded me of far too much of some real life bullies and narcissists I have had the misfortune to encounter, and I disliked her pretty much right up until she finally had a moment of genuine regret over what she did to Starlight.


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People who think she was as bad a person as the show tried to make her out to be are pretty rare, and even most of them agree getting her cart smashed was too severe of payback for what she actually did :P
Well, I guess I’m pretty rare then.

And I disagree. Don’t get me wrong, Snips and Snails are absolutely to blame too for what happened, but when you exaggerate your abilities and act like you actually can do all the things you made up for the persona you perform, you don’t get sympathy when you fail completely at the real thing.
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Yeah. They used that to sort of justify it, but it still doesn’t mean it’s not a supreme dick move. Like, imagine if you waited all year for a event that you probably payed good money to attend, and it was just completely TRASHED by six jerks. Not to mention, it’s worth pointing out that the Mane Six sure are upset when some other dick trashes the Gala :P

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I liked it, but I was REALLY surprised at how it ended. I was certain it was going to side with Trixie in the end and give the moral of "You can’t mistreat people because you don’t like their show", or "You need to understand a performance is FICTION and not take it at face value". It’s ironic too, and even kind of hypocritical, that they’d give a "performers deserve harassment and punishment if you don’t like their show" moral and then turn around and make Fame and Misfortune :P

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The big thing that absolves her of a LOT of guilt is the ponies begin heckling her the second she begins the performance, before she’s done anything wrong, and all of her ego-tripping and bullying is retaliation. Seriously, watch that episode again, and literally all she does to draw their ire is give a pretty generic magician "I’m Whoever The Great" kind of introduction. We don’t even know what her actual show was: they ruin it before it even begins. Frankly too, I feel the retribution was misaimed; instead of stomping on Trixie’s house it should have fallen on Snips and Snails and had them end up in this kind of scenario, because failing to back up a claim isn’t even on the same level of "undeserving of sympathy" as how awful and cruel of an act it is to drag a dangerous wild animal into town so you can watch someone beat it up D:
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Thanks to how popular the show has been turned, do you think the main MLP franchise or the next Gen 5 has the opportunity to create more gender-neutral products, or start to aim more into the male audience, and leave Equestria Girls as a separate franchise to be more focused to the younger female demography?
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The big thing that absolves her of a LOT of guilt is the ponies begin heckling her the second she begins the performance, before she’s done anything wrong, and all of her ego-tripping and bullying is retaliation.
Not really. You make it sound like they showed up with a bucket of rotton vegetables and started shouting insults at her the moment she stepped on stage. In actuality, Twilight and her friends had a brief conversation amongst themselves about the appropriateness of the boasting she was already doing before Rainbow Dash gave her the only actual heckle she really receives, which pretty much amounts to a single "boo". And her response to that is to tell a story about how she supposedly saved an entire town from a literal monster attack. That’s a pretty ludicrous jump in believability. I mean, if you booed David Copperfield a single time and he started yelling that he was the most powerful being on Earth and how grateful the people in Oslo were after he vanquished Jörmungandr for real, it would be pretty clearly not be the fault of an audience goer on that.

And considering how she treats Snips and Snails after her show, when they are both clearly huge fans and are literally hanging on her ever utterance, I don’t buy the idea that she was just acting like that in response. It’s pretty clearly just the way she was.


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failing to back up a claim isn’t even on the same level of "undeserving of sympathy" as how awful and cruel of an act it is to drag a dangerous wild animal into town so you can watch someone beat it up D:
And I agree that what Snips and Snails did was pretty bad, but that doesn’t change the fact that the truth, especially when it comes to impressionable youth, is important. It was her lies that motivated their actions, and she has to bear some of the blame for that.
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You don’t think De Lancie’s interest in the fandom played a part? I think he was involved in making some documentary…

Trixie was, as far as I can tell, supposed to be unpleasant and partially at fault, but also not entirely unsympathetic – more of a pitiable figure where half the tragedy is that she would never accept pity. Or at least, that’s how I read her. Folks who try to paint her as blameless seem to see a less interesting one than I do…
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Because yeah, they basically WERE a bunch of rotten vegetables who started shouting the second she stepped onto stage. Then she called them out on it, and Rainbow Dash GETS UP ON STAGE and demands "So, ’Great and Powerful Trixie’. What makes you think you’re so awesome, anyway?" If I booed David Copperfield, he demanded to know why, and I got up on stage to insult him, I’d probably be hauled off by security before he even got the chance to humiliate my arrogant stupid ass while the whole audience booed me XD

The real problem is that "You are 100% responsible for any and all wrongdoing despite outside factors and deserve severe retribution for it" mentality does not mesh at all with any other event in the series (not even with the other wrongdoing in that same episode). By that logic, even IF Starlight’s backstory was sympathetic, she deserved to be shot in the face with a AK-47 :P

All of that aside, though, my real issue is all she did (be arrogant and tell a lie) wasn’t nearly as bad as the heckling and harassing at the show, or what Snips and Snails did, and CERTAINLY wasn’t deserving of getting her home destroyed for it, while everyone else got off scot-free and rewarded, respectively. Getting exposed as a fraud was more than punishment enough for Trixie, while the rest of the stuff should have happened to the others. Like I said before, the first time I watched that I went in blind (that was my first-ever exposure to Trixie) and I was genuinely surprised at how it ended with her taking all the punishment while all the other stuff got a free pass :P

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That might of actually worked against him. Having a celebrity guest-star as the voice of a character probably made it harder to bring him back. I’ve even heard that’s the reason they’ve not given Tempest Shadow any voiced reprise :P

And the problem is that the harsh retribution she took MAKES her seem blameless. I doubt anyone would have sympathized with her being a jerk if she didn’t get such harsh retaliation that made you feel bad for her instead :P
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Yeah, but if the kind-of-famous star is interested, you make a role for him. And since Discord on the loose as a villan would overshadow the show, a plan was made for him to be an unreliable ally instead.

As for Trixie… whether she deserved what she got, or just sort of did, or didn’t at all does not seem to be something people are going to agree on. Which of course is part of her popular appeal, because there are a lot of different ways to write her. I go with "part deserved comeuppance, part tragedy."
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The real problem is that "You are 100% responsible for any and all wrongdoing despite outside factors and deserve severe retribution for it" mentality does not mesh at all with any other event in the series (not even with the other wrongdoing in that same episode). By that logic, even IF Starlight’s backstory was sympathetic, she deserved to be shot in the face with a AK-47 :P
if Glim Glam deserves to get shot, then so does every other villain (reformed or otherwise), including Sunset Shimmer.
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