Starlight Glimmer- What is the opinion of her still?

@Sunset’s Minion  
Why not just say alternative facts while you’re at it.

@Jarkes  
Well, You can’t expect a character as divisive as Starlight to have a unanimous liking that easily, can you?

@kztxl7  
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It’s also annoying because i think the idea thy had for starlight was clever. Having her become Twilight’s ward of sorts and starting with kinda orced rlationships with the mane cat, then becomin friends with someone in a similar situation to her, then becoming better at making her own friendships outside of the mane 6, who i felt were never meant to be more than training wheels for her.
 
The whole exercise was Twilight’s plan for reform that didn’t involve needing to treat the reformed person like garbage.
 
…i found it a clever idea…

@Jarkes
 
She got to feel bad, even though she was apparently okay with all of those other horrid timelines she made. But really her facing the ultimate truth of her actions is an okay punishment I guess. I still don’t like what they did with her after this point. And as others noted her origin story doesn’t help at all. Even by kid show standards.

@Background Pony #2C50  
“forced relationships with cast” - we almost never see her interact with the m6 cast outside of Twilight
 
“better at making friendships” - the only easy friendship she’s made so far was Maud and it took over a season for that to happen which is her 5th friend.
 
WhaT?

@Ranch
 
I don’t think she really was ok with them. After learning about them she hid behind her rage and fell into denial. She became basically crazed.
 
I saw that as the events effecting her.

@kztxl7  
I’m defending starlight…

@kztxl7  
Kztxl7 you’re going to find that many of the truths we cling to depended greatly on our own point of view. And I’m talking about art, not science or history, which is entirely subjective.
 
And yes you are arguing your own POV, just a detached version of it. Your thoughts and feelings are influencing you to react and view events in certain light. The Mane 6 for instance. You view is that they are overpowered. Yet there are many flaws to them and faults, but in your view these are minor or not what you want to focus on, so you don’t. You claim no exaggeration but then you’ve justified that view to yourself and are passing along that viewpoint, which is what I am doing as well just from a different POV.
 
I don’t disagree with the Twilight statement. In fact I agree with you. Twilight has been for a long time my least favorite of the Mane 6 and a great many of the problems I have with the two-parters is because they are so heavily Twilight focused. Switching that up to Starlight over the Remane 5 does not fix that problem for me. And like I said before we have yet to see a two-parter where any of the Remane 5 have the starring role in it.
 
I will admit incompetent is probably the wrong word but it diminishes the characters when you just casually throw them into a traumatic experience yet have no repercussions for anything they went through. This is a problem I have with many of the two-parters. You seem to be assuming that my reasoning is that just because Starlight does this makes it bad. No like I’ve said before many of the complaints I’ve had with Starlight have been applied and are still applied to Twilight Sparkle, it’s just the issues she raises are far more up and present than the ones with Twilight.

@Jarkes  
Since no one ever seems to respond to your reposts of this, I think I will.
 
I don’t think that’s presented to be a punishment. At least, in the way people want her to be punished.

@Background Pony #2C50
 
…Wait, are you gingerninja666?

@EotD  
Don’t feel like the effort for the long form:
 
-Art is not solely subjective. Spike At Your Service is bad. A character trait of Spike is butchered for no explainable reason to force a conflict. That is genuine OOC and bad writing. Saying “subjective” doesn’t change that
 
-The Mane 6 are overpowering. It’s not personal flaws and faults. They overpower the series narrative. Season 5 finale. If they don’t get together, Equestria doomed several times over. No one else apparently can step up to plate and show competence. That’s ridiculous.
 
-I claim there is no exaggeration not from POV but from fact. I take how they act in those two episodes. Compared them to previous episodes. Nothing new and they didn’t not overblow their traits in those two episodes. That’s not my interpretation but observation of facts.
 
-Switching to Starlight and her crew did fix the problem. Just not for you. No longer fact that the Mane 6 (particularly) are the only competent ones in Equestria. That was the real problem.
 
-Doesn’t diminsh their characters. They’ve established themselves as competent heroes several times over from seasons 1 to 5. Just because they get off screened once so others can shine doesn’t mean “lol they’re starting to suck now!”.

@kztxl7
 
This is why the season 5 finale always bothered me. It’s like the show itself forgot why the mane six were special, and just made them… special for no reason. Twilight literally said she doesn’t know why they’re so special. “Wait, why is this show about us again? I DUNNO LOL”
 
But no I do think Starlight has been the biggest example of wasted opportunity, inconsistent characterization, and flat-out bad writing for a long time, apart from almost all of season 6.

@kztxl7  
Art is subjective, it’s based on emotions which are highly subjective. You saying X episode is bad because of this while Y episode isn’t because I see Z characters this way is the definition of subjective. For instance I like Spike At Your Service
 
You keep going back and forth on this but I keep saying only Twilight was at best overpowered. Please make up your mind on this.
 
And you filter them through your mind and come up with a yes or no answer to the question “Did I like this” whether you are aware of this or not. Unless you can somehow claim you have literally no emotions ever (in which case hi Skynet), then you are subjective, the best you can ever hope for is mass agreement subjectivity.
 
Yeah I make no claims it is for not me, but that doesn’t mean it worked for everyone ever either, I mean this thread exists after all. Starlight being in the same role as Twilight while the Remane 5, a well developed and great cast of characters do nothing is a missed opportunity of the highest caliber in my eyes. The Mane 6 being the “Only heroes” was not a problem I had. It was that Twilight was the only hero and that the rest of the great cast was being left aside and the title of the show “Friendship is Magic” not being properly utilized in those situations.
 
Then why does it keep happening? Season 6 premier had them doing nothing yet again as did the Season 7 one. And like I keep saying the Remane 5 have been doing nothing in these episodes for the longest time. You keep saying they’re overpowered, how about we first see that then? And don’t bring up super magical lasers from God because they’re from FUCKING GOD. (ie the writers, though I do agree that the laser finish ending are really repetative)

Entire subjectivety argument you’re trying to hard to push is bunk.
 
I like Sonic 06. I think it’s good. Anyone smart can tell you it’s a bad game but by your logic that’s not true. What you like is your personal taste. Doesn’t change if something is good or bad objectively even in art if it is in fact horrible as all hell.
 
Mane 6 overpowered the narrative. Season 5 finale.
 
I filtered nothing. Stop trying to BS your way through this. The way the character acted in Rock Solid Friendship and a Royal Problem are not exaggerations. We’ve seen them be worse than this and exhibit these traits before. There was nothing done specifically to make Starlight look better. Stop trying to roundabout this.
 
That’s a lie. You literally said: “Switching that up to Starlight over the Remane 5 does not fix that problem for me.”  
For me. For you. For you. I don’t care about it being a problem for you. I care about it being a problem in general. It was a problem in general that the Mane 6 were the only competent people around. That’s literally Mary Sueing. And it wasn’t even in the satirical/parody hahaha funny way.
 
Are you using the Season 7 premier? Really? The premier which isn’t them fighting against some evil threat? Really?
 
Stop ignoring the Season 5 finale. They don’t get together? Equestria is doomed several times over? That’s ridiculous. You’re getting upset simply because they’re no longer overpowering the narrative.

@Jarkes
 
Yup. My dumb computer is acting up and I can’t be bothered logging in all the time ___

@kztxl7  
Forgot to hit the reply button
 
Yeah go on and prove something is objective then, that somehow it can be filtered without a human bias to it. There is always a bias with art, some form that makes it bad or good which are subjective terms. Yeah by my logic Sonic 06 (I’ve never played a Sonic game BTW) was good for you, therefore it is good for you.
 
That’s your only example which is more a testament to bad writing than anything. It’s the only way it could make the plot work, to show all the horrible outcomes of the show. I mean why would Twilight go back in time to try to keep fixing everything if the world was okay and right as rain? If you use the butterfly effect clause then anything is possible therefore there were just as many good outcomes as bad (ie infinity).
 
You are filtering, I’m filtering we all filter. You just used an Ad Hominum against me which shows you’re getting annoyed and therefore are emotional. The way the characters acted in those episodes are how YOU FELT, not everyone else, how YOU saw it and interpreted it.
 
Yeah and I make no claim that it’s still a problem for me and for others otherwise this thread wouldn’t really exist. And it’s a problem FOR YOU, okay kettle? And like I keep bring up time and time again, it was only Twilight who was the one they were doing this with and they completely skipped over doing it with the Remane 5, that they missed their chance with those characters.
 
It’s still a premier episode, one which shows what the creators think is important in the show and what they value. The Mane 6 are something I value and not Starlight and Trixie.
 
And you keep using ONE example over and over while I keep bring up multiple two-parters where the Remane 5 are never utilized in the story save for the Rainbow Ex Machina.

@Background Pony #D296
 
It also seems to keep changing your BP number…

@EotD  
Yeah, this right here. Shows you don’t know as much about subjectivity and objectivity like you want to believe.
 
Personal taste is irrelevant even in art when deeming something bad or good. Sonic 06 is bad. Doesn’t matter about personal taste if I like it or not. It is bad because it is filled with many thing that many gamers absolutely hate even among the sonic fandom and would not pump out money for.
 
Wait hold on…  
Twilight Sparkle acted overbearing, biased, and neurotic in A Royal Problem because that’s how I felt and how I saw it? Not because how it was written and how it was actually shown?
 
Nope. Done here. We’re at the point of absurdity.

Well, the mid season hiatus began and currently, the show has given me nothing but reasons to hate Starlight Glimmer (and everything she stands for) but absolutely no reasons to like or even tolerate her existence.
 
I don’t have any faith that the remaining episodes could do anything to change that and it sucks, because before of her I still could enjoy this cartoon, bad episodes and all.
 
Oh well, there’s always Ducktales, whoo-oo.

@kztxl7  
Okay that seems to be an incredibly subjective statement so okay then.
 
Yeah it probably has many things that Gamers hate (like I said I haven’t played a Sonic game). And you know what Gamers are? Human, which means they are full of the same little ticks and twerks that every human has, that they each see things differently. What you have is mass subjectivity not objectivity. You can not define good or bad without calling into question human bias which people can’t get rid of. For instance you are never going to get an objective answer to the question “Is life good?” Cause all life is going to have an extreme bias towards life being good.
 
You don’t see with your eyes, you perceive with your mind. The way you feel and interpret events is biased highly on your views and experiences. And yes if you perceived it that way then that’s what you think happened. Now there is a great deal of mass subjectivity to back you up but there can be cases for people to back up other ideas.

@redsquirrel456
 
Starlight has amazing potential. I’d argue the show isn’t brave enough to bring that potential out.

@Ranch  
Villain Starlight I’ll completely agree.
 
Reformed Starlight? After 1 and 1/2 seasons I yet have to see her having even a glimmer of potential, pun absolutely intended.

Remember folks, this is Starlight Glimmer, not failed attempts at philosophy.
 
Then again she did hold one.

@EotD  
Seriously stop trying to be intellectual and philosophical with this. You’re digging the hole deeper in showing what you don’t understand.
 
Oh hey! The game is filled with absurd loading times that break immersion, so many glitches an bugs that hamper gameplay in normal runs that 9~10 years later people are discovering them, poor ratings almost all across the board from reviewers, a plot practically universally hated, poor camera controls and was received so bad it’s own developers had to pull it from retailers to try and raise the value of the brand.
 
But hey, a few people like it unironically so, SUBJECTIVITY!!!
 
Seriously…?
 
And if someone is shown in a cartoon to be so enraged to beat someone to a bloody pulp, that is NOT ME INTERPRETING THAT. They are enraged. That is what is happening. That is fact.
 
Stop trying to pass off valid observations as “That’s how you perceive it”. My observations where how characters acted factually. Not how I perceived it.
 
I would literally kill for piss poor ad hominem attacks at this point rather than failed philosophy attempts to devalue my claim on how “Starlight doesn’t make other characters worse to make her look better” because this is absurd.