Season 7 Episode Discussion [Speculation, Discussion, Spoilers] (SPOILER YOUR LEAKS)

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Both episodes indicate that evidently, Applejack can no longer get focus episodes without the writers having to create a character flaw that she’s never had before just so she can overcome it within that same episode.
 
It’s annoying. It makes me want Applejack to not have episodes anymore. Honestly, though, I would love it if she were to get an episode like Fluttershy Leans In, where she actually accomplishes a goal. That’d be especially refreshing since she’s been without goals for the entirety of the show.
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Without divulging any real spoilers, Fluttershy continues to be the best when she ain’t the worst. Solid episode, but the only real gripe I have is that no mention of “Eastern Unicorns” in the episode, nor did Twilight comment on/realize that Meadowbrook was an earth pony.
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Okay, I guess.
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I know it was done to have an excuse to make Yellowquiet feel tired and weak as opposed to the rested Twilight for plot’s sake, but they could have done that on a less breaking way.
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eh, might be a Chekhov’s gun later, a bit like the anti-magic spell back in season for and about 2 seasons later a changeling artifact that basically does the same thing. you may never know.
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Eh, I always felt Twilight cheapened AJ’s success a bit. I mean, it was pretty damn convenient that her horn has a “record” function that can capture high-definition videos.
 
That said, Made in Manehattan showed that she has an insecurity when she’s pulled out of her comfort zone, so I think that’s something they could run with if they were to ever give her a Fluttershy Leans In-type episode.
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The thing about Applejack is that most of her character growth is frontloaded. Her parents died when she was young, and she was forced to grow up faster than normal. So Applejack’s character is less defined by goals and growth, and more by uncovering what makes her tick, and in preserving what she already has. She doesn’t really have any flaws. Not because she’s perfect, but because she’s had to sort herself out already. This puts her at odds with a central theme of the show, so she’s really hard to write for.
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Both episodes indicate that evidently, Applejack can no longer get focus episodes without the writers having to create a character flaw that she’s never had before just so she can overcome it within that same episode.
It’s annoying. It makes me want Applejack to not have episodes anymore. Honestly, though, I would love it if she were to get an episode like Fluttershy Leans In, where she actually accomplishes a goal. That’d be especially refreshing since she’s been without goals for the entirety of the show.
The thing is, what goals do you give her? I mean, Applejack is already well known as an honest, hardworking pony. The Apple family name is both a part of Ponyville’s legacy and well respected. The other ponies who live in town think highly of her, the mayor has honored her on more than one occasion, and if her cutie mark story from all the way back in season one is any indication, she’s content and happy to be exactly where she is. There really isn’t anything left for her to achieve, which is probably why episodes where she has to overcome something are usually tailored to excesses of her virtues (e.g., overworking herself, being too bluntly honest, deciding she can’t come home without prize money she promised to bring back, and so on).
 
So yeah, I can see why writing for her is a problem, and why the “overcoming some obstacle” format is harder to work with her than it is with her friends. Unfortunately, neither issue has an easy fix.
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So just finished with the episode. Boy was it good! Fast paced I will say but Fluttershy was freaking awesome. And it was her and Twilight on a journey with several secondary and new characters. Why is it the episodes that seem to appeal to me are the ones that get leaked?
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Frankly, I prefer characters only appearing when they’re necessary for the story rather than just being there for the sake of it.
 
Finally someone gets it. Only use characters you need to get the narrative across. Otherwise you’ll have too many characters on screen standing around with little or nothing to say at all. Background characters exist for that.
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@Spinny  
You’re complaining about her being given “flaws” as if her flaws where some over-the-top flaws that’s are rare and unique to Applejack alone.
 
They’re not.
 
If there was a literal top 10 list of the most common flaws in people the ones we’ve seen in recent AJ episode would be in them.
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I’m complaining about her being given flaws that go against her character. It’s simply not in Applejack’s nature to be as mean as she was in Honest Apple. She can be blunt, of course, but I can’t get behind the notion that she would go as far as taking someone’s hard work and ruining it right in front of them, or insulting Rarity’s career to her own face.
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@Spinny  
You’re basically saying “she’s out of character” which isn’t true.
 
“Out of character” is alongside “Mary Sue” and Idiot Ball” for some of the most misused yet overused terms.
 
OOC is if Rainbow Dash woke up one morning, grabbed Tank, said fuck you and then dropped him off in the middle of nowhere with no way back and then went about her life like nothing happened and it’s never addressed. It goes against everything we know about her character but more importantly there is no discernible reason as to why she would do it.
 
If everytime a character stepped outside of the cardboard cutout lines put in place for them, then Fluttershy is OOC everytime she grows a spine but we know why that isn’t true.
 
Applejack isn’t OOC. You’re doing what many people do. Throwing out one of those terms when a character is doing something you don’t like. She has a reason why she acted like that. She was growing increasingly agitated at the impractical design choices the designers kept making and we already know Applejack doesn’t have a high opinion of fashion. Her actions are excessive but not OOC.
 
And a flaw for an the Element of Honesty to learn to be careful about reigning in her honesty? How is that going against character?
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@Spinny
You’re basically saying “she’s out of character” which isn’t true.
“Out of character” is alongside “Mary Sue” and Idiot Ball” for some of the most misused yet overused terms.
OOC is if Rainbow Dash woke up one morning, grabbed Tank, said fuck you and then dropped him off in the middle of nowhere with no way back and then went about her life like nothing happened and it’s never addressed. It goes against everything we know about her character but more importantly there is no discernible reason as to why she would do it.
If everytime a character stepped outside of the cardboard cutout lines put in place for them, then Fluttershy is OOC everytime she grows a spine but we know why that isn’t true.
Applejack isn’t OOC. You’re doing what many people do. Throwing out one of those terms when a character is doing something you don’t like. She has a reason why she acted like that. She was growing increasingly agitated at the impractical design choices the designers kept making and we already know Applejack doesn’t have a high opinion of fashion. Her actions are excessive but not OOC.
And a flaw for an the Element of Honesty to learn to be careful about reigning in her honesty? How is that going against character?
 
You have a point. However, her destroying the dress like she did in Honest Apple was out of character for Applejack. The rest of the episode she wasn’t out of character, but she was in that scene.
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