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Plus her expression in the s4 premiere just means she did nit intend to turn into NMM, she is not comatose or trapped in her own mind. Even twilight tried to talk to her like she was Luna in the s4 premiere.
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Look dude, I don’t know why she would lie about being a separate entity 3 years into Eternal night. NMR was flat out about being a separate entity.
 
Also, fly back home, seriously? She was trapped as shadow or some shit in the show, so I don’t even know whats going on with the comic. I just don’t think Luna was unconscious as NMM. Maybe they fused into one being or something. I don’t know.
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Hasbro will say whatever makes them more money. They’re a corporate machine.
They still have the final say in regards to what’s canon and what isn’t.
 
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@Pepsi_Al, who exactly?[/quote]Several on YouTube, including those who disagree with the notion that the Nightmare Rarity arc of the comics “takes away from Luna’s character.” Also, LuminoZero and TexasUberAllies on this site. I wouldn’t be too surprised that someone I was talking to over on another site I frequent would agree as well. Since he did mention he felt that Luna recovered too quickly from being Nightmare Moon.
[b]Last time I saw “>comics. >cannon” was a fucking meme, popular opinion is they are not cannon mate.
Just about 3 pictures that state that misconception have more downvotes than upvotes, while others poking fun at that misconception get upovoted shows that it’s not as a popular opinion as you think.
 
We saw nothing that implied possession before NMR came to be.
The black mist surrounding Luna, as well as how surprised Luna was to see that black mist at all, doesn’t imply possession all of a sudden? News to me.
 
She calls Celestia ‘dear sister’ and knew nothing about what was on the moon before she was banished.
Demonic entities have a tendency to lie about their own identity when they’re in a host’s body. Case in point: The Fomortiis example I mentioned earlier. Given Celestia’s dialogue for when the two have a rematch in the dreamscape, Celestia may have caught on to that fact.
 
Plus, in the NMM-centered FIENDship is Magic, Celestia does also talk to Nightmare Moon while referring to NMM and Luna as seperate entities, given with how she says “You are too selfish to set my sister free from your dark magic.” Which, again, wouldn’t make sense if Luna and NMM weren’t separate entities.
 
“Home sweet home” implied it is now her home. She literally has no idea what was on the moon as indicated in her next line “Lets see who needs ruling”
The fact that she says “home sweet home in the first place” upon banishment means that she was expecting to be banished on the moon in the first place. If it really were Luna in control, she wouldn’t know what just happened, and be trying to fly back to the planet immediately, only for only for some magical reaction to happen and bind her down. Among other things.
 
Am I being trolled or something?
Lobotomized? It just un-twisted her mind m8.
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I mean, in my own opinion I think it’s better for her character if she was in control while NMM, albeit evil because of dark magic.
 
I’ll be paraphrasing LuminoZero on this one.
 
OK, recall Rarity’s corruption. They didn’t just zap into her body, they broke her by talking. They had to weaken her resolve to the point where she was willing to let the Nightmare in. It didn’t require that she know what it was, channel it or whatever else. All it needed was a moment of emotional weakness to get its host to consider it. Also, removing Nightmare (as in the spirit) from the equation entirely not only effectively removes an explanation to where Luna got the dark magic from in the first place, but also involves making some assumes that Luna was in complete control as Nightmare Moon. Which in turn assumes that she wanted to become Nightmare Moon in the first place, or at least knew what it would entail; a notion that is contradicted by Princess Twilight Sparkle (the episode) itself. That means she wanted to inflict pain and misery on her subjects, and wanted to commit an act that could (and would, according to Word of God) kill everything on Equestria, if not the entire planet itself. If you say Luna was in control, then this personality is the real Luna.
 
So then, when the Elements of Harmony zapped her back to good, what exactly did they do? Remember, according to your logic this is the true Luna. The EoH lobotomized her and made her good, rewriting her base personality so she would not be evil anymore.
 
What Lauren Faust said was that her transformation into Nightmare Moon was caused by something she shouldn’t have been playing around with in the first place. What Princess Twilight Sparkle suggests is that she heavily regretted making the decision to play around with the thing that she shouldn’t have come across in the first place. What the NMR arc suggests is that a malevolent force provided that thing she shouldn’t have been playing with, and she made the decision to play with it because it corrupted her. Taking advantage of the stress she was under due to living in her sister’s shadow, and feeding upon the negative emotions (in her case, jealousy) that she was giving off. That’s what let it get in, that’s what corrupted her, that’s is what took Luna over, letting that happen is what Luna regrets immediately before the transformation happens, and that is what the EoH removed.
 
Unless you prefer the Elements of Lobotomy explanation.
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I mean, in my own opinion I think it’s better for her character if she was in control while NMM, albeit evil because of dark magic.
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Lobotomized? It just un-twisted her mind m8.
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“No really, people think my opinion is correct”
 
Okay, who exactly? Last time I saw “>comics. >cannon” was a fucking meme, popular opinion is they are not cannon mate.
 
“Somehow I don’t think there is”
 
We saw nothing that implied possession before NMR came to be. She calls Celestia ‘dear sister’ and knew nothing about what was on the moon before she was banished.
 
“Home sweet home” implied it is now her home. She literally has no idea what was on the moon as indicated in her next line “Lets see who needs ruling”
 
Your just stating that people agree with you and its clearly not the case. Am I being trolled or something?
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@JonesMcPones: I’m sorry if I’m coming across as hostile in any way. Luna just happens to be one of my own favorite ponies as well. And to be frank, removing something that explains something about her doesn’t sit well with me. Nor do any interpretations that imply the Elements of Harmony lobotomized her.
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As I’ve said, no blatant contradiction between the show and comic came up. And Hasbro does seem to go by “if it happened, it’s canon” with this installment of the franchise. Cases in point: Equestria Girls, the chapter books.
 
Hasbro will say whatever makes them more money. They’re a corporate machine.
 
That doesn’t mean a spirit didn’t possess Luna the moment we see NMM’s chronologically first appearance.
The joke’s on you because even people who saw the Season 4 premiere agree that the scene where Luna transforms into NMM agree that it fits with the Nightmare Rarity arc.
 
Just because you or a lot of people interpret as something happening a certain way, does not mean that it is the 100% canon way. A lot of people don’t even read or care about the comics so they won’t even care about the canon of that. Some things are just more up for more personal interpretation and people should just let others interpret things the way they want without telling them how wrong they are for not agreeing with them. Don’t take it too seriously. Remember, it’s just ponies.
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The comic is not cannon
As I’ve said, no blatant contradiction between the show and comic came up. And Hasbro does seem to go by “if it happened, it’s canon” with this installment of the franchise. Cases in point: Equestria Girls, the chapter books.
 
we saw NMM from transformation to banishment.
That doesn’t mean a spirit didn’t possess Luna the moment we see NMM’s chronologically first appearance.
 
I don’t know how the joke is on me.
The joke’s on you because even people who saw the Season 4 premiere agree that the scene where Luna transforms into NMM agree that it fits with the Nightmare Rarity arc.
 
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I don’t know who is ‘overseeing’ it but they clearly don’t care.
If they “didn’t care,” we would have gotten “Rarity Takes Manehattan” in comic form, among other things. A bit unrelated to the NMM discussion, but it’s nothing worth ignoring either.
 
Plus, in no way did the comic imply that NMM was a separate entity from Luna.
There’s this quote from Nightmare Rarity that gives something that’s clearly more than an implication.
 
Nightmare Rarity: It’s true, the Elements of Harmony have defeated me before, little ponies. But what will you do, now that I’ve taken one of you? Without all of you, your Elements of Harmony are powerless.
 
I don’t think Nightmare Rarity would be saying that if Luna and Nightmare Moon weren’t separate entities. Or if the spirit possessing Rarity at that time wasn’t NMM, for that matter. Adding to that, in NMM’s FIENDship is Magic issue, NMM herself says “home sweet home” upon arrival on the moon; something she shouldn’t be saying if it really was her first time there. Which tells me that it was the spirit possessing Luna speaking then, and not Luna herself. Luna may have control over the moon, but I don’t think that Luna visited the moon, or made it her home at any point prior to her banishment. I can only think of one thing that has done so before then.
 
I think even in the comics cannon there is more than one method for turning into a ‘nightmare’
Somehow, I don’t think there is.
 
I don’t think she was possessed by one of the nightmare forces
The Nightmare Forces is just one spirit (the one that turned Luna into Nightmare Moon), and a bunch of brainwashed Nyx (which includes Larry) by the time the pilot episode rolls around.
 
(despite NMR being larry)
How many times are you gonna repeat such an obvious lie? Larry was turned into Nightmare’s henchman. He is NOT Nightmare itself.
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well, it’s magic, she made the tantibus and that became sentient, bottled up feelings could become sentient too.  
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I don’t know what the fuck I called you Anon, but yeah, it contradicts the comic in every possible way. I don’t know who is ‘overseeing’ it but they clearly don’t care.
 
Plus, in no way did the comic imply that NMM was a separate entity from Luna. I think even in the comics cannon there is more than one method for turning into a ‘nightmare’, I don’t think she was possessed by one of the nightmare forces so she must simply be Luna under the effect of dark magic. Hell, even Nightmare Rarity (despite NMR being larry) tried to tempt her into becoming NMM again in that comic. There must be more than one way to become a nightmare, otherwise none of that would make sense.
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The comic is not cannon Anon, we saw NMM from transformation to banishment.
 
I don’t know how the joke is on me. Get more butthurt though.
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>Cannon as long as the show does not contradict.
Rekt.
Joke’s on you because I use that same scene to support my point regarding Luna. Since it doesn’t contradict the comics in any major way.
 
@Background Pony #FD2C  
Also don’t point out that expression on her face as that black thing engulfs her, it just implies she got in over her head with dark magic/ anger/whatever. In no way does it ever imply it is a ghost or something.
But again, the way Lauren talks the dark magic that corrupted her suggests that the dark magic in question didn’t come from Luna herself. As for the black thing in question, given the context of the Nightmare Rarity arc, Occam’s Razor pretty much tells us what it is.
 
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Rather I should say direct possession. Suppose it could be like Hellsing where some Dark force whispered to Alucard, telling him to drink the blood and become a unstoppable monster, but still the same soul.
More like Fomortiis from Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones, but direct possession doesn’t happen until its intended host does what the spirit wants it to do. Luna causing the eclipse to happen could have been her equivalent of Lyon breaking Grado’s Sacred Stone.
 
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Ha, I didn’t even see that part yeah there’s plenty of contradictions to the comics. XD
Oh really? Name them.
 
Also it’s been stated numerous times that IDW is not informed ahead of time about new episodes so they literally can’t be canon because they don’t even know what is happening in the actual canon it’s basically glorified fanfiction.
They do get supervision to make sure that the comics don’t contradict anything in any major way, however. That much is evident in regards to Rarity’s spotlight comic in the micro-series. That fact doesn’t actually conflict with the whole “canon until the show says otherwise” thing.
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Rather I should say direct possession. Suppose it could be like Hellsing where some Dark force whispered to Alucard, telling him to drink the blood and become a unstoppable monster, but still the same soul.
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Ha, I didn’t even see that part yeah there’s plenty of contradictions to the comics. XD
 
Also it’s been stated numerous times that IDW is not informed ahead of time about new episodes so they literally can’t be canon because they don’t even know what is happening in the actual canon it’s basically glorified fanfiction.
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Also don’t point out that expression on her face as that black thing engulfs her, it just implies she got in over her head with dark magic/ anger/whatever. In no way does it ever imply it is a ghost or something.
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>Cannon as long as the show does not contradict.
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XKnTpXfV94
 
Rekt.
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Like I said, I’m not complaining about what’s canon or not. I’m just saying what I personally think sounds like a better story.
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@JonesMcPones: Lauren Faust had said that evil magic was what turned Luna into Nightmare Moon. She didn’t describe where the magic came from, but the way she phrased her words, and the fact that she described the magic that turned Luna into Nightmare Moon as a “curse,” suggests that the evil magic in question didn’t come from her. MLP Comics 5-8 were based on that statement with the intent of explaining where it came from.
 
Plus, given Luna’s reaction in the Season 4 premiere, she likely didn’t intend on becoming Nightmare Moon.
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@Pepsi_Al  
To be honest I don’t really read or care that much about the comics. I just like the idea that it was all on Luna without an outside entity. I’m not complaining about canon or anything just stating my personal preference.
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