@Background Pony #467B
Talking about someone behind their back with no clear insinuation of a joke is a bit different.

More so you keep assuming I’m angry when the closest approximation is abject disappointment.

When I am angry, and not simply expecting better of someone hiding or not possessing a proper account, it would be extremely obvious and my comments would be worthy of being deleted.

@GrimChariot
Someone’s being testy over a joke

@Background Pony #467B
Once again making assumptions and exaggerating.

Kindly stop talking about real people if you don’t have the balls to talk to them.

@Macaroni C-Pony
Let’s see. Taking colorful horses way too seriously, holding a personal vendetta against Celestia, completely going against everything FIM taught, treating G5 like it has no redeeming qualities and deserves to fail. Seems like a normal day in bronydom to me

God damn, I missed a lot in 8 hours, didn’t I?

That’s assuming the writers have the capacity and creativity to actually bother with writing a story that doesn’t involve these damn crystals that have hijacked the plot to the point where they’re essentially main characters.

They will, mein Freund. They certainly will. Constantly respond to RL things. Whether we like it or not. There is simply too much for the writers to ignore. They call it inspiration. I call it: The easy (lazy) way.

I can really understand that you actually want to escape the real world. But MLP G5? I dare to doubt that very hard. I’m sorry.

Because the writers expect this. That the audience are hooked somehow. See the scene of Zeyphr Hights. Or the background of Maretime Bay. RL things will be what G5 keeps referring to. My only hope here is that the adventure part in the show will be bigger, and we can explore the world in and around Equestria (through the eyes of Mane 5). ;-)

Let’s just hope that there’s not going to be any more of that real world garbage like Livestreaming, Cellphones, or McDonalds’ knockoffs in the future. We go into fiction to escape the Real World to enter a more timeless place; not to be continuously reminded of it. It’s part of the reason why I love the world of Legend of Korra; at least the setting of Republic City was very reminiscent of the Roaring Twenties with Asian-stylized automobiles and radios: it still gave the setting of Avatar that timeless feel to it.

You say it. That it was not the best solution, we and certainly everyone can agree on that. From where, and why, we all do not know at this time. And I really, really understand why a lot of people have their problem with that. But I’ll wait and see. And see what else is to come. In principle, we are all just chess pieces on the board of our expectations. ;-)

But I still have (a naïve) confidence that G5 is just beginning. Even if we have all had enough of this topic in this regard. Ask us Germans. But MLP G5 will certainly surprise us. And all I wanted is: Don’t give up hope. Writing may not get any better, but we as a species can learn a lot from the ponies.

Still love ponies. Will continue to do so in the future. That is my agenda. Feel free to join me. ;-D

Well, to conclude here today: I don’t think ponies or humans are really good. Their existence and being in the world depends entirely on which agenda one follows. And that agenda, in my opinion, depends a lot on how good or how bad their leaders are.

I do not wish to comment further on this. Neither I will comment on a rating regarding the G4 villains. Everyone has their own personal opinion on this. ;-)

All I wanted to say, and did, is think about it first. Love it, or hate it. That means little to me personally. But don’t always cast a shadow all the time over things that are not easy to understand and are not fully explained.

Personally, I hope for the best. Maybe be disappointed. But I don’t give a shit to Tyrant Twilight. ;-)

@DarkObsidian
I agree that safety isn’t a guarantee-and if it was stated the stones were a stop gap alongside other measures I’d have less complaints, but as of now it seems like the stones were the only answer used :p.

I’m more then lenient on failure-negligence from simply not knowing is different from willing negligence as an example, and endangering others by the oppositions actions is different from using people as pawns.

It’s why I don’t hold Twilight at fault for what Harmony does, or for her part in Celestias’ actions.

Twilight’s usually doing the best she can with what she’s been given, and excluding the stones it’s less “they’re bad people/being selfish and callous” and more “they accept the hypocritical treatment and just don’t notice” issue for the rest of the main six.

We’ll see what happens, but I’m expecting a middle road result as a whole.

I agree with you in that Twilight is sort of making a Celestia move here. The reasons and the coming out of it, I see that perhaps differently. Neither do I see negligence, reckless endangerment and hypocrisy here. But, I accept your desire for safety.

The fact is only: (and here I catch up the lasso that still keeps this image entwined) safety does not exist. This world is full of magic and full of danger. If G4 has taught us one thing, please know that the world is full of danger and misunderstanding. And the only logical answer (except for the so-called superpowers with their nuclear arsenal, which just makes me want to vomit every time for purely humanistic reasons) is: Friendship! The threat may be real. In the pony world. But I’m still NOT convinced that Twilight didn’t just have hope in the future. And so, so we are meant to be. We are supposed to have hope in the future. But what do we do? We first screech about how unfair it is that the government (Twilight) has a McGuffin (Unity Crystals) to keep us down.

Say whaaaat!? Seriously… Bookhorse is oppressing the majority? Because majority stupid and at war? Yaaaaa…. Exactly. So one thing I expect from G5. Either, it holds up a mirror to 50% of the US population. Or it influences (which I hope) children all over the world to say: Racism AND gun abuse is bad! Because, what else is magic (turned against someone else) than weapons?

MLP has been telling certain things with a very low undertone for years. I just wish some fans would listen better. ;-)

@DarkObsidian
I don’t think we’re inherently better- if anything by virtue of magic what amounts to a perfectly controlled biome I’d argue the ponies are better then us to a margin. Not stronger, but better suited to their existence then us compared to out interactions with our world on an ecological and coexistence front.

In conflict Humans take the edge but not by an obscene amount until we consider weaposn we’d reasonably never deploy outside of M.A.D, and thats it’s own kettle of fish.

Honestly Tirek is probably the best written villain with Stygian/PoS(thats a fun acronym in hindsight isn’t it), Chrysalis, Nightmare Moon, Cozy Glow, Sombra and Discord following in that order.

Discord as a whole never really had good writing as he rides on the coattails of Q and repeatedly relapses and gets rewarded for it, so while he has more writing I’d argue Sombra’s lack of complexity is fitting for his purpose and Cozy being an unknown arguably helps her here.

Luna and Nightmare are an odd case where the fandom is clinically divided as to whether they’re one entity or to so that’s a hard one to place realistically.

Now, just out of curiosity, when have we ever seen a G4 villain that was really well written? Very few of them were, and yet they somehow blend into the fandom. Honestly, the bad design of the Shadowly Alicorn gives me more reason to worry than anything else that has happened in G5 so far. ^^

And it’s so funny to be amused at how steep the fandom is already going in this regard. Instead of just accepting the fact: Hey, there are evil alicorns! Well, I like the way G5 plays with our expectations and experiences. It’s (from a narrative perspective) a good thing. Bu wow! Is the storm going straight up. ;-)

Are we humans really better than ponies? I don’t think there’s that much nonsense about the ponies being very easy… say… upset? I’m also just waiting for all of us to divide into three different factions. ;-D

@Background Pony #467B
You assume I am worked up rather then simply providing at length responses.

I am calm, and am simply explaining my reasoning.

I am stating what Celestia has done. That is in no way “acting like Celestia murdered my family here” to use your own words.

@GrimChariot
I’m not the one getting worked up over a fictional horse here. Just think about that for a sec. The lack of self-awareness is kinda disturbing. You act like Celestia murdered your whole family here

@Phoenixflambe
I accepted the apology-as stated on the original chat after you spent a half-dozen comments making no attempt to do so-and being harassed by someone for asking for an apology instead of a refusal to acknowledge or even defend the insult.

Grammatically, literally and by the design of the english language, you apologize after multiple refusals.

@DarkObsidian
I currently have no real opinion of G5. I have a low opinion of Celestia for a multitude of issues which culminate in willing negligence, reckless endangerment and hypocrisy.

I’m not impressed with Twilights solution purely on the fact that it’s exactly the kind of thing she’s been cleaning up for Celestia and to earn her wings and experience should point out that that sort of solution does not work.

But still, this can be good. It’s just not likely.

To add, the only threats Celestia had 0 information to supply or prior records to draw from where Chrysalis due to surprise, and Discord because she somehow though storing an imprisoned entity in a public garden with no security was an intelligent decision even without hindsight.

The fact her archive and records are canonically in such disrepair their useless because she’s not maintained them and actively locked away centuries of knowledge and measures to rebuke threats and treats that incredibly massive mistake like its a bit of gossip and giggles about it.

That’s not acceptable from someone like that-if it was damaged or lost is one thing, but simply ignoring it to the point it’s wreckage is another

(grins) As a 42 years old, your comment still makes me laugh. Am I really true neutral? I honestly don’t know. Maybe. I’ve always feared this balance in it, especially in the games, because you can’t really be true neutral? But then sometimes I think to myself… I’ve seen so much bad and good in the world. And yeah. I’m really stuck in the middle. True neutral means for me only to bring the scales back in the right direction for others. No more, no less. ;-D

@Background Pony #467B
The moral of forgiveness falls flat with the season 9 finale and the treatment of multiple characters before that.

Failing to adhere to your own moral standing while demanding other ascribe to a level you can not is called being a hypocrit.

More so the number of serious fanfics that pretend this stuff has no consequence but then try to make a single person worse then the borderline antagonistic actions towards the other species by continuously putting them at risk or possibly in harms way out of convenience is laughably high.

All right, I accept that. Partly. That is, I accept your opinion in front of others. But, I have to point out here, because it strikes me, you’re sort of arguing the good cause over the character here. Which doesn’t make much sense to me, because the characters themselves are acting out of their own convictions.

In principle, you’re saying the characters should again act better knowledge. But they don’t. Nor can they (in my opinion), because they follow the code to which they have subscribed. After all, we have to keep in mind that A.) we have a new generation ahead of us and B.) we simply don’t know enough about what the real end of G4 looked like.

It’s a bit like going to Hitler with the knowledge of today and telling him: boy, what you think and do is wrong! Completely out of context and completely missing the point. ^^

Because the point is, and that’s also the good lesson of the show and the comics: we all make mistakes. And we learn from them first. (except the ponies, the ponies are like us as humankind, they never learn - 2022, ladies and gentlemen) Well, you can’t expect the outcome from the first moment, because then you wouldn’t have a story to tell. The hero doesn’t slay the dragon right at the beginning either.

What I want to say, regardless of how you see the ponies and what your personal opinion is: Give the story time to develop first. And remember, you are not the one this story is based on. You may be too smart, or too experienced, but this story itself is good and reason enough to be told. And it is especially directed at others. Kids. And also to us bronies, on another level, but we are here merely the third class audience. ;-D

Because we know virtually nothing yet, what has led when where how to anything. We are only the fandom. And the fandom knows only at the very end what really is the fact. We are just the listeners. Not the actors. We personally would perhaps act differently. But we are just listening right now. But our opinion is irreleveant regarding the fact that we are only at the very beginning. ;-)

@DarkObsidian
Not sure if that makes you True Neutral but I’m Lawful Neutral.

@GrimChariot
I did say sorry long ago. You simply didn’t accept it.

@GrimChariot
Gotta love it when people take horse cartoons seriously and act like some of the characters are the worst thing ever. As if the morals of the show went over their heads

Thanks, my friend. But I take everyone as the person [pronouns] is and also gladly accept other opinions. You have to be able to cope with that as a fan of the show. Because we all like the same thing in principle. Just from different directions. I don’t let myself be influenced by any opinions. And I absolutely stand by my own. Only I like to try to mediate (if I can). After all, there’s someone sitting at the other end of the screen with whom I could watch MLP together at any time. Well… most of the time. So far, there hasn’t been that much hatred that I would feel the desire to strangle someone in their sleep. Back in the day, the Starlight Glimmer wars were worse. Nowadays I think to myself: Meh. But everyone may and should form his own opinion. And I love to argue against it. ;-)

MLP G5, folks! We have something to talk about again. Isn’t that great on its own? ;-D

@Phoenixflambe
You assume a lot, and are wrong on all fronts as usual, and again verge on insulting people but not taking responsibility for it.

Or do you forgot intentionally insulting me and refusing to actually apologize for a solid bit of time there?

@Background Pony #467B
Did Celestia not lie to Twilight, put the hope of a country on the elements of harmony being able to bind to 6 random ponies of which one of the least social ponies in the country would need to form long standing powerful friendships with in a 24 hour period?

“Acting like Celestia’s satan” no, I’m just not going to pretend she’s a decent person after effectively using multiple nations as bargaining chips for Twilights destiny and intentionally withholding information from them.