Guys you call grim chariot out and telling he is using too much “oPiNiOn” yet you post TV tropes pages that are literally the most subjective subjugated site on the web… anyone can edit to their viewpoint you can see the editors in the history tab lol.

@AwkwardLuna
Legit, you just hit it right on the mark there.

We can go back and forth all we like, but at the end of the day, this show was intended for kids. Not for the type of people who overanalyze every little thing about each episode.

I think the irony here, with all this arguing, is that clearly the writers on the show didn’t put in nearly as much thought into the script as you guys are. I don’t say that to bash them, but to point out that they were writing a kid-friendly show, and you guys are analyzing it as a deep drama. You’re looking for facts and meaning that isn’t there, and arguing over intent that never existed.

@Eurvos Morgenbrise
Leave the moderation to the staff, please.

@GrimChariot
If you think that someone is arguing in bad faith or for the sake of arguing, then file a report and do not engage them. Grousing about them is, itself, offtopic to the thread.

@GrimChariot
don’t agree with the forgiveness but there is very little they could actually even do to Discord. He’s a huge manchild who might’ve done something more reckless and stupid if they didn’t put up with him and the alternative is to stone him which is also too far.
Like a punishment would be easy if he was just a dude and it would do better to teach children that even though he is actually getting punished/corrected that doesn’t mean they hate him or something. But they had to go with the forgiveness for a friend route because of course they did.

This isn’t justifying what they did IC just from a meta-perspective

Now I wish Hasbro made this as a season 10 plot… season 9 bonus plot!

@GrimChariot
@Background Pony #8E09

Can we take this debate somewhere else, please? This is the second time, on this image alone, that someone has requested moderator intervention due to you people failing to keep your posts on topic and your testosterone in your pants.

I will be VERY put out if another comment section on this comic gets locked down as a result.

@GrimChariot
Difference is discord did wrong but he was truly trying to be helpful to his friends, put himself in harms way to help make things right and has no wishes to forcibly conquer a nation…sure he wasn’t always that way but at least in context of s9 itself, yeah it’d make a lot less sense for them to them to punish discord than the trio.

The mane six or pillars would likely step in, if the princesses tried and saying hey i know he messed up badly he didn’t choose the right path but he really from the deepest part of his heart was making a effort to be a good friend to us, to twilight, deflected a beam that could have destroyed him because he wanted to make things right maybe no tea time with fluttershy for two week but certainly not this.

@Background Pony #8E09
“It isn’t that deep.”
-entire scene shows Chrysalis hesitant and then seeing the literal mob of angry and ready-to-throwdown enemies before rebuking and leaving in a hasty, furious retreat.

This is basic acknowledgement of a character as they are depicted. If it ain’t that deep then Luna never actually felt bad and is pretending.

I’m sorry but explain to me how that was any different then Discord who wanted to destroy everything from the trees to the concept of a day night cycle for his own amusement and the torture of others because it’s funny.

Or does he get special treatment in this like every other time.

@GrimChariot
The issue is that its literally not that deep, the story shows that chrysalis rejected it so therefore it means she’ll always reject friendship.

And after trying to commit murder and destroy everything that was built, its absurd and actually unrealistic to believe that anyone is so forgiving that they would immediately give them a chance, that has literally never happened to the moon, sent to tartarus, or stone which is realistic

@Background Pony #8E09
How in what world does that make them look good?

Chrysalis responding to a situation with what amounts to a kneejerk, panicked reaction is realistic-it doesn’t do a thing to make her better, it’s an acknowledgement that the “redemption” offer was done in a situation where not only did it have no chance of success, but was actively inhibited by the entire preceding events.

It was lip service, because it was as likely to succeed as a moth surviving a furnaces fire.

These three are villains but they are no worse then any of the reformed ones and it’s laughable to pretend they are.

I see good in the mane six and the princesses.

The problem is it’s tempered by Celestia’s manipulative and selfish decisions that put the entire country or other countries at risk for her own goals.

Luna’s willingness to let that happen and general failure to intervene.

The Mane Six constantly getting free passes.

I would have no problem at all if the show treated all the other villains the same as these three, and was consistent with it’s morals.

No effort to reform. Only the most pitiful efforts to redeem them. Manipulating them like the suicide squad to gild Twilights ego ala season 9.

It’s the fact the pretty Princesses pick and choose who’s worthy of the effort based solely on personal involvement and whats convenient that makes the scales tip.

Because intent isn’t worth anything when ones actions constantly contradict it.

@GrimChariot
It is far from surface level its explaining exactly what happened to led to their fate and them as characters, its not surface level just because u dont like thats how the story was written.

@GrimChariot
Why is it every excuse in the world to try to make the antagonist look good “chrysalis didn’t change because she was surrounded and just got defeated” why not try to see the side of characters u have followed for years. Such as the princesses and the mane 6.

@Background Pony #8E09
Except you aren’t. You just posted a TV tropes response that fail’s to account for all previous events, fails to account for the context of these events and has a surface level understanding of what occurred.

That is by design a simplified and cherry picked examination of events.

@Background Pony #E311
What makes you think I’m trying to win.

You people ignore everything and don’t like it when I point out the holes in your argument.

@GrimChariot
See your putting a lot of opinion, i was just putting what happened in the story. When u allow your mind not to focus on the truth in front of u u get angry when it doesn’t follow how u think things should be. If u can’t allow your mind to think of the idea that someone else has a point then u are lose.

@GrimChariot
And secondly:
They didn’t intend to kill her, this was a show for kids. For kids!!

@Background Pony #E311
What, don’t actually have a rebuttal?

@GrimChariot
🤦

@Background Pony #8E09
•Always wanted to do ect
-You mean like literally every villain that was reformed.

•Turned Down Starlights offer
-Surrounded by everything approaching her with intent to kill, and basically betrayed by everything. No chance she was thinking clearly and if you think so you really do not understand how people work.

•Tried to Murder the mane six and destroy Equestria.
-You mean removing threats to ones rule and power, Like Celestia and Luna/Nightmare Moon. You mean destroy a country, like Tempest did multiple times. You mean torture the populace like Discord did. You mean like every major villain except Starlight, who was trying to run away or torture Twilight?

TV Tropes is worth it’s weight in manure for actually thought out analysis, sorry to say.

Again-your deus ex machina magic that supposedly was worth endangering the entire world to empower decided they were worth redeeming.

Crying foul when the same things everyone else you’ve turned a blind eye too did are done by different people you’ve put no actual effort(I.E, Starlights attempted is quite literally lip service as far as effort goes compared to literally everyone else) to change the stance of, is called being a hypocrite.

@GrimChariot


how do u feel about this?

@Background Pony #E311
Does not excuse his actions and being above judgement is not something to be seem as a good personality trait.

And considering his ability to sense anything is never used, outside of the one time he showed up and turned traitor, I’d hardly say it’s a justifiable decision.

@Background Pony #EC18
The fact Tempest is an international criminal also makes Twilight superseding of multiple groups who were hurt and never helped by her quit a but selfish.