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Quiet, nerd. Ave Imperatrix.

@Background Pony #396E  
If we’re going to talk about silly then stickingq your hands over your ears and going “Im right you’re wrong because I say it” embodies silly.
 
I asked for a citation because you decided to state some bold claims and act as if theyre fact.. I admitted I dont know how the sun and moon work but youre the one treating your assumptions as if they’re fact.
 
Mind you, considering how you talked about suspension of disbelief, if you did hust the bare minimum of google searching on the real life sun then applied that to MLP, you’d see how that breaks the suspension.
 
Also, you moves the goalpost. Rather than accept that you were wrong. Try and act sarcastic about you own oversight.
 
If you werent running away I would love to see you quote where I asserted that moving the sun and moon is an easy task.
 
This shows your logic works in simplistic black and white. Because to you, if I arguing that it doesnt require the insane amount then I MUST think it’s an easy thing to do.
 
So let’s bring it back to the actual argument and explain it in a way that someone like you can understand:
 
The amount of magic required and what Celestia has is a lot but nowhere near the inflated amount you think it is which is why she can lose. And the sun and moon most likely dont have nearly the same size and distance from their planet as ours.

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You did it first, I simply riposted to highlight how silly you look trying to use that angle…
 
 
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If you provide proof they act any different I welcome that. However, what you’re failing to realize is how I hinted that only a select few can accomplish this feat. Put a gun to Lyra’s head and force her to move the sun and moon and she, despite her best efforts wouldn’t budge it. Even if we use your logic (using situation B), it’s still literally impossible for 99.9% of ANYONE ELSE IN THE SHOW. So to assert that this means it’s an easy task is completely asinine…
 

 
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Wow the, AND I QUOTE “the most important conjurer of the pre-classical era”, “expert at everything from transfiguration, dimensional calibration, and teleportation”, “the father of the amniomorphic spell”, “created more than 200 spells… even has a shelf in the Canterlot library of magic named after him.” (-Twilight Sparkle’s own words) was also able to move the sun and moon.
 
You completely debunked every aspect of my argument because I made an oversight and forgot the most powerful and prolific unicorn in existence when I said “all alicorns”.
 
In all seriousness, you and I both know you’re wrong at this point and that’s enough for me. I’m just going to stop reading and replying. But hey, you have the last word. I’ll allow it. :)

@Background Pony #396E  
Wow. You’re actually trying to burden of proof? You’re making the claim the Celestia should have god level powers because she can move the sun and moon but you’re refusing to prove that the sun and moon are anywhere on the same magnitude of what exists in reality and may be different. I know can prove this because there is nothing to cite but nice try attempting to shift it to me.
 
I can admit that I can’t prove it because the series doesn’t go into depth but neither can you.
 
Which is far more believable:
 
A) That Celestia and Luna are able to grab the sun and moon from a minimum to 200,000 miles away (for the moon) then drag them absurd distances across space but are somehow unable to be instant solutions for any of the threats that pop up despite the incomprehensible amounts of power that it would take to do that.
 
or
 
B) The Sun and Moon in the fantasy realm operate completely different from how they work in reality, especially with the added benefit of magic and while still take significant amounts of power, is nowhere near insane as scenario A. Thus making it far more believable for them to not be able to be beaten.
 
Scenario B is for more believable.
 
Also, Starswirl moved the sun and moon, despite not being an alicorn. As well as other unicorns before they came.

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Why do I need to cite that? The burden of proof is on you to prove to me it’s any different from us.
 
They have day and night cycles, the sun provides heat and light as shown in the canon of the show. They’ve referred to their sunrise as morning. And when the moon is out as night.
 
I mean nice try. It’s kind of a lazy device to be the one to be the first to ask for “proof”, but it’s a cartoon, so suspension of disbelief aside we have to base it on our world unless stated otherwise. So instead of a rotation like with us, we are told Celestia can raise the sun and moon. Okay, accepted canon. We see only Celestia/Luna/Twilight doing this, okay accepted canon…
 
Speaking of, if you can literally raise the sun and moon when NO ONE ELSE can but other alicorns, that’s why I’d call a godly power. Stands to reason you shouldn’t be useless when you have that power, yet… Well… Celestia…

@Background Pony #396E  
If I dismissing canon then please give me a citation that the sun and moon in the world of MLP are exactly as they are in real life.
 
As in size, distance, magnitude, etc.
 
Also point out where I’m saying that she doesn’t move the sun and moon, which is the only possible way I’m dismissing canon in regards to your argument.

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You’re dismissing canon and inserting assumption based on nothing except your beliefs.
 
 
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Hello pot, meet kettle.

@Background Pony #396E  
You’re operating under the assumption that the sun/moon in the world of MLP is operating under the same rules as stars in reality.
 
So you’re placing your own assumptions and acting as if they’re fact.

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No, I’m not. I’m literally taking exactly what the show gave us. I’m not adding feats. Moving a star through will is god level powers. She should be able to shoot Chrysalis into space with that power. You can’t just make a rule that claims that’s unreasonable when she has that power and that’s what you keep doing.

@Background Pony #396E  
You’re doing exactly what I said. Significantly inflating her to being some godly celestial being. She’s powerful, yes. But not on the level you’re trying to make her to be.
 
The show never makes her out to be this “world of cardboard” level of person. You are doing that right here.

@Background Pony #AD0C  
Hyperbole. I wouldn’t say she’s treated like shit, she gets mocked, and rightly so. Also she’s a fictional character, I promise you her feelings aren’t being hurt…
 
I’ll agree with your second point, but Luna would be in a weird scenario. If Luna was doing things while Celestia remained useless it would beg the question; why is the little sister outperforming the big sister? At the same time you could ask the same of the mane 6 (teamwork and elements of harmony I guess).

@Background Pony #396E  
Well it really isn’t fair that everyone thinks its completely okay to just blindly hate Celestia and treat her like absolute shit. She’s been made fun of way too long and its gotten old. People act like being a dan of Celestia or even defending her is this crime against humanity.  
Meanwhile, you hate or make fun of Luna, the fandom will literally riot. She shouldn’t be getting any sort of special treatment while Celestia gets attacked on a daily basis

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She literally moves the sun and moon at will and is immortal, having lived for thousands of years that we know of at the very least. Pray tell, what does that make her out to be?
 
 
@Background Pony #AD0C  
Luna gets a pass being the little sister. It’s very clear who’s in charge and who’s second in command. That’s why Celestia gets the majority of the criticism.
 
She tried and failed. Celestia should’ve lost AFTER defeating Chysalis in the power duel because Chrysalis then sent her army to overwhelm Celestia. At least then we could give Celestia a pass for doing something, but she literally lost a 1v1 to a powered up bug queen…
 
Stop deflecting to Luna, this isn’t about her. I wouldn’t give her a pass myself either FWIW.

@Background Pony #396E  
But why is it that everyone keeps worshipping Luna and treating her like someone who could do no wrong yet Celestia gets nothing but endless hate? At least she tried to stop Chrysalis originally while “Best Princess” didn’t do jack shit yet everyone gives her a free pass and endless love. Bet you’ll also copypaste thevsame comment on another post

@Background Pony #396E  
The show doesn’t make her out to be a “godly celestial being”.
 
The fandom has significantly inflated the abilities of certain characters. Celestia being one of them.

@Background Pony #AD0C  
I mean she never gave us a reason to NOT call her out when it came to competence. I really wish she came to save Twilight and the gang from a main antagonist. The closest thing we got was her and Luna dealing with some sentient plants that they would’ve beaten anyway. Wow.
 
She’s supposed to be a demigod yet she was useless the entire series (which I get, because if she just solved the problems there would be no conflict ((same reason Discord’s always useless, clinging to that “oh I did nothing and almost let you die so you could grow!” excuse)), but just don’t make her out to be godly celestial being if she’s going to lose every time…)

Gotta love it that people still wanna bash Celestia even after all this time. I hope she bashes all of you then

Anyone who watched the show knows she hasn’t done anything but get captured or defeated barring her sealing Luna.
 

@Smitty1991  
What episode was the one where she admits that she can’t use the Elements anymore? I guess I’ll need to drop that particular criticism of the final season.

@Background Pony #EF06  
You clearly didn’t pay attention to the show. First off, the show was not aimed at toddlers. It was aimed at children 7+. Secondly, Celestia not dealing with the problems in seasons 1-3 was explained. Not only was she training Twilight to take over as ruler, but it was explicitly stated that she and Luna are no longer connected to the Elements, hence why they can no longer use them. This is why Celestia relied on Twilight and her friends to step in and take care of things.

To be honest:  
The Celestia on the right is just fanon, too.

Eh, I would switch fanon and canon up. For some reason, this fandom really likes shitting on Celestia, and letting Luna go off a hitch.

The purpose was always for Twilight to follow Celestia, but unfortunately the show was aimed at toddlers and children with only a few years of schooling, so the story can have very low seriousness in favor of the main characters who thus dominated the show, while Celestia came in the background. Yet it had turned out that the writers of the show are required to “innocent” the entertainment for children, and seemed to have had an anti-authoritarian attitude where Celestia should do as little as possible, and there was no strict logic prevailing in the story working.
 
The episode with the dragon was strange; the only thing that could defend this was that it was to test the student, and several times Celestia had let Twilighet and the Mane 6 take care of problems, but as soon as Twilight became an alicorn this was not necessary. The elements made the Mane 6 important for the defense of Equestria, primarily against magical challengers such as Discord, but they were barely pulled out of their civilian life in Ponyville. Here one sees the main problem; overfocus. Too much focus without showing the background, with little depth in the background characters by concentrating on the Mane 6. For that reason, Episode 100, “Slice of Life” is very popular. Moreover, it seems that the writers and those who dictated the content of the show, were busy refuting and refuting Fanon, even the most logical examples. The more competent Celestia becomes, and even more powerful in Fanon, it seemed that these go faster in the opposite direction in Canon.
 
The writers in the IDW comics are not so hostile, in these comics we see a competent, politically savvy and albeit slightly overworked princess who could fight without the slightest hesitation. She does not fear chickens in the comics as when she had to fight cockatrices, for most fans, the writerss invention of giving her irrational fear of chickens in Season 9 is pointless and stupid, one of many examples of self-harm in the Hasbro writers work in the show. Celestia and Luna, on the other hand, received a very nice and sincere treatment where they are much closer to Fanon than Canon, which may be due to the fact that the comics are aimed at an audience with reading ability and schooling. When comparing the two different groups, it is obvious that the writers in the Hasbro were far less free than in the IDW - all talk of getting inspiration from Fanon was just talk with very few exceptions.
 
The comics are intended for older children, while the show is intended for children of all ages, and children’s entertainment tends to be heavily censored and highly purified to appease critics who have to approve the content. In my own country it was very common. The Fanon mostly came from adults who “grow up” the MLP universe from a parody / prejudiced reality - Equestria was probably meant to be a mini-world in Season 1-3, but it ended up being a small country on a big planet in Season 9. “Princess” is a good example, one wants to sell the show, and thus will not use other titles as queens - Faust had first thought Celestia should be queen - “because it gives a negative impression on the girls” due of entertainment all the way back to Alice in the Wonderland.
 
That’s why Fanon Celestia, Show Canon Celestia and Comic Canon Celestia are so different - it depends on the age of the audience.
 
If MLP was meant for older children and adults (it will never move on - interest was aroused in hindsight when the first seasons came out), it is certain that we would have seen greater depth, more logic in the turn and greater background as profound consideration of the characters - more in line with Fanon MLP and IDW Comics MLP. We probably would not have seen an innocent world that in many places is a contradiction - “a thousand years in peace” with several nearby civilizations, many monsters and a lot of magical abuse? Equestria / Equus was not peaceful, in many places this is an illusion even in the show. A movie shattered this into glass rags. Yet the writers had to hold on to the illusion that was forced upon them. As with the windigos, it looks like this is a strap placed on the MLP and these created the G4.
 
Yet the interest in the MLP G4 is strong, because it presents non-human creatures in an alien and unusual world based on our own, just crowded with mythological creatures and facts. The alicorns are rightly perceived as very strong magical beings with divine-like qualities - for they can use spells that are impossible for others, and these have been perceived in Fanon as “protectors” of the ponies, a logical conclusion of their nature - pegasus, unicorn and land pony in one and the same. But they do not need to use it often, strong magic and weak magic are equally suitable according to the scenario. The writers in the show had not followed this, they must be kept away as long as possible.
 
A world had been created. And Celestia is a part of it.

To be fair, I’m pretty sure the chicken phobia was introduced after Literally Just Link As A Pony appeared in the background of an episode and aggressively justified chickens being terrifying. To say nothing of cockatrices…