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Good.
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@Smart Heart  
Ah no thats not the case
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And in this case, it’s using that power to destroy anyone who defies you.
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From the very beginning of the third season, or maybe earlier, Celestia’s only concern throughout the entire series was using the elements of harmony, and the enemies she would face, as a tool to manipulate Twilight into becoming her successor.
 
If we were to rate main characters from across all series and all genres for their ability to choose their own destiny, Twilight would rank close to the lowest, a 1 out of 10, simply because Celestia raised her to brown nose her decisions without question and she never grew out of it. Someone who never questions destiny chosen for her and lets herself become a princess? Heh, talk about a Hasbro wet dream.
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Jesus Christ so many comments
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@CronoM
Maybe Cozy was right all along. Friendship IS power!
 
 
Friendship is powerful but having power isn’t why u make friends.
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At this point, she probably is.
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@CronoM  
Maybe Cozy was right all along. Friendship IS power!
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@Smart Heart  
I’m talking about how Discord gathered three villains to attack the coronation and giving them a powerful artifact to do so.
 
To be fair, that was Discord, AGAIN, taking a page out of Celestia’s book of horrible ideas of letting horrible things happen just so Twilight can deal with it, and somehow, out of sheer stupidity and bad writing combined, making that bad scenario 10x worse.
 
I honestly think Celestia at some point gave Discord free reign to make a horrible situations  
during pivotal moments during Twilight’s life to railroad Twilight into the idea of being a princess and finally ruler of Equestria.
 
The fact that Celestia forgave Discord in a literal heartbeat at the end of Season 4 is pretty telling. If anything, she wasn’t angry at all and she trusted him more then ever after that. That’s as shady as it gets.
 
I dont know whether Celestia’s anger and beratement of Discord in the final Season with Grogar’s bell was a put-on for everyone around them, or Discord had created a situation SO stupidly out of control, that she honestly thought they weren’t going to win and Discord’s stupidity had boned them all.
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@CORDZ2000  
In that case, that’s what he made it seem like. As if he’d forgotten why those six came together in the first place.
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Your argument is going in circles.
We all know the benefits of a character like Discord is, we’ve seen or heard of Q from Trek, we all know he’s not supposed to be a good guy, he’s an immortal trickster afterall….
…but that doesn’t excuse him for being badly written trickster half the time! If you have to write in a script “Discord gives Celestia some flowers in the end and so he’s forgiven for nationwide treason”, your a failure of a writer. End of story. The “ponies are incredibly forgiving” bit doesnt fly. Are you going to cite Starlight being completely forgiven by her former cult with no blowback? Yeah, that was shit too. And we all know it.
 
 
Its not really a argument at this point just a different perspective. the only time i think Discord was really badly written was matter of principles, cause im fine with him being a jerk if it matches up with his character development, for example at the gala he had kinda asked all the ponies if they were gonna invite him although he was too nervous to fully ask. He asked fluttershy at the beginning and then at the gala it took a lot for him to be pissed and go crazy, he brought to the gala a harmless smooze and he stated he wasn’t gonna hurt treehugger he was just sending her to another dimension. And then once he founds out what hes doing wrong he pretty much instantly feels regret and apologizes. Discord is a jerk but he has limits and a heart of gold deep down and it should make sense with his CD contrast with matter of principles were he never asks to involved and terriorizes innocent students in ways that could potentially harm them although starlight does say he wanted to help with the school. It makes absolutely no sense especially when he already learned that lesson and came off as the true bad guy of the ep for it and more of a upset hurting friend in a previous episode dealing with it. I’m glad the writers learned their lesson and had him ask to be involved in later episodes. Also honestly if u ask me Discord is a good guy but hes a misguided anti-hero one.
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Its a weird kinda psycho innocence to a lot of discords actions, “The Hero Defeats Bad Guys and learns a lesson” and i care about the Hero so i want her to believe she can be a hero. That is a pretty innocent motivation with for a being of chaos who is arrogant and still struggles with understanding normal people could come too a conclusion of what he did.
You make it seem like being a hero is only about how many bad guys you can stamp out.
thats not what im saying is the case, im saying how he came to that conclusion.
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Your argument is going in circles.
 
We all know the benefits of a character like Discord is, we’ve seen or heard of Q from Trek, we all know he’s not supposed to be a good guy, he’s an immortal trickster afterall….
 
…but that doesn’t excuse him for being badly written trickster half the time! If you have to write in a script “Discord gives Celestia some flowers in the end and so he’s forgiven for nationwide treason”, your a failure of a writer. End of story. The “ponies are incredibly forgiving” bit doesnt fly. Are you going to cite Starlight being completely forgiven by her former cult with no blowback? Yeah, that was shit too. And we all know it.
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Its a weird kinda psycho innocence to a lot of discords actions, “The Hero Defeats Bad Guys and learns a lesson” and i care about the Hero so i want her to believe she can be a hero. That is a pretty innocent motivation with for a being of chaos who is arrogant and still struggles with understanding normal people could come too a conclusion of what he did.
 
You make it seem like being a hero is only about how many bad guys you can stamp out.
 
 
@CronoM
 
I’m talking about how Discord gathered three villains to attack the coronation and giving them a powerful artifact to do so. Still, glad you and I are on the same page.
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@Smart Heart  
@CORDZ2000
Even for treason?
 
i mean besides fluttershy none of them treated him like a friend, it also took friendship for him to commit that treason.
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@Smart Heart  
His treason in the Tirek finale is vague, cause not only did he cover for Twilight for a while and he didn’t remove the box that could defeat him and Tirek, making me wonder if it was just another Celestia plot to have Twilight step up like in the prior season, innocents be damned….
 
…but even if that was the case, to the rest of Equestia, he committed incredibly atrocious treason, so I’m still on the same side as you in this argument.
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@Smart Heart  
@CORDZ2000
For example, faking an illness to get attention is one thing and losing your temper in an rpg board game is another. But sending the mane six on a wild goose chase just to cause a ruckus at the School of Friendship is in a completely different field. As is his plan to boost Twilight’s confidence. I admire him for having good intentions, but he never once apologized for using three villains as disposable tools in his scheme. Going by the finale’s events, for him, they weren’t living, thinking beings, only bad guys to “justifiably” throw into a furnace like an old glove.
 
Discord is honestly a manchild and maybe too meta lol, he says once twilight defeats 3 baddies shall have to believe she’d the leader we all know she is and honestly hes not wrong every time twilight and co wins against bad guys in a premiere or finale they learn something thats how the show works. He saw her freaking out about her new role in the season 9 premiere and wanted to help while pretending to not care because like spike said in Big Mac Breakup “you act tough but deep down your a softie” hes afraid of expressing his feelings and thats how we get episodes of him feeling left out but anyways, he sees them as nothing but bad guys to be defeated because in a meta sense that’s what they are. Its a weird kinda psycho innocence to a lot of discords actions, “The Hero Defeats Bad Guys and learns a lesson” and i care about the Hero so i want her to believe she can be a hero. That is a pretty innocent motivation with for a being of chaos who is arrogant and still struggles with understanding normal people could come too a conclusion of what he did. One could argue like a child he tries to copy those who he looks at as heroes, yea celestia never released villains but she has used em to test twilight, celestia and luna turned me to stone for being evil for having no remorse and so that must mean the 3 deserve the same.
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I dont consider him truly evil and I would at the same time be disappointed if he became a goody two shoes, but I consider the plot surrounding his actions horribly written on several occasions.
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@CORDZ2000  
Even for treason?
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I’m a fan of chaotic, aloof characters like Q and Discord but they still have to be well written.
 
I like Discord personally but I think some of the writers for the episodes he’s in are pretty shit.
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@CronoM  
@CORDZ2000
And I know you have Discord as your icon, but c’mon, you don’t have to defend everything that involves them just because you like them.
 
See the thing with Discord is that hes complicated…hes not nearly as bad as a person as some say and hes not nearly as good as some say. It causes him to be a polarizing character, I know he isn’t some perfect angel but he also isn’t evil or irredeemable the thing with him is that i defend him and the reason i like him so much is because of this..hes trying to be better and hes a spirit of chaos he makes a lot of mistakes but he also does grow while still being a spirit of chaos, I found that to make him a very interesting and unique character than if he were to ever be a goody-two shoes. But yes ofc just because there are those who don’t like stuff doesn’t mean i have to defend what i like.
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@CronoM  
Equestria is known for being very forgiving in general if someone shows remorse.
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@CORDZ2000  
And I know you have Discord as your icon, but c’mon, you don’t have to defend everything that involves them just because you like them.
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You’re not seriously suggesting that your defending Discord scene of being forgiven just by giving Celestia some flowers.
 
Even if Celestia forgave Discord, even if there was a slight chance Discord was part of another test-Twilight scheme since he gave them the hints on the box of defeating Tirek’s ass and didn’t take them away when he went turncoat, he’d still be the most hated person in Equestria. Not even Celestia, who’s ruled for a thousand years, could convince people that Discord, who supposedly reformed, who then betrayed ALL of Equestria at once, could be seen as anything less then one of the worst persons alive. Any scenes where Discord is seen in public and people don’t have pitchforks out could not possibly be real outside the realm of incredibly bad writing.
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@CORDZ2000  
For example, faking an illness to get attention is one thing and losing your temper in an rpg board game is another. But sending the mane six on a wild goose chase just to cause a ruckus at the School of Friendship is in a completely different field. As is his plan to boost Twilight’s confidence. I admire him for having good intentions, but he never once apologized for using three villains as disposable tools in his scheme. Going by the finale’s events, for him, they weren’t living, thinking beings, only bad guys to “justifiably” throw into a furnace like an old glove.
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