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By Season 9 Twilight hurt Tirek when Star Swirl and Mistmane combined couldn't, the Pony of Shadows claim no longer applies. WHEN is this hypothetical fight supposed to apply?
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*The Journal of the Two Sisters_* states it took the six strongest unicorns, including Star Swirl, to raise the sun, six more to raise the moon, and with such stain it would pertinently sap their powers. "Horse Play" canonized that. So canonically each Alicorn is equal to "6 OP Unicorns" each.
So in pure power, Alicorns win by a fact of 4. The question is can the Unicorns last long enough to come up with a tactic to win?
Starlight, the only one to have fought an Alicorn in a fair fight and the most tactical at using her magic could merely match one. Star Swirl and Mistmane need Stygian to come up with tactics and did poorly agains Tirek without. Tempest stated she only won against them because she used the Obsidian Orbs. Shining's lost every fight he's been in suggesting his shield magic isn't flexible enough for such fight. Sunset has never shown any fighting ability or "OP" magic, just what's normal for a trained Unicorn.
In short, Alicorns with at least 3 out of 4. Unicorn's win requires they get lucky.
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[bq="tehwatever"])
> They wouldn't beam struggle with the alicorns, no. They'd have to outsmart them and frankly, when you have two of the pillars and three ex-villains with brilliant minds, the alicorns are gonna have a_*ton of problems._[/bq]
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1. The Pillar's needed Stygian to come up with strategies and without him they lost agains Tirek who Twilight was able to fair far better against. Starlight's tactic meant she could only fight Twilight to a standstill. Tempest stated in the comics she count have beat them without the Obsidian Orbs. Sunset has never shown brilliance in a fight and despite her arrogance in the fist movie never tried to fight Twilight as a unicorn instead using stealth and fleeing.
[bq="tehwatever"]
> Starlight is Equestria's best active unicorn combat mage, Tempest is the best pound per pound fighter and Armor was top echelon royal guard before his marriage.[/bq]
2. Twilight being the best alicorn combat mage is at least the same if not far more impressive. See 1. for Tempest. Shining Armor and royal guard aways losing, worse than the Alicorn who's defeats are treated as a big deal, means his echelon means nothing in terms of actual ability.
[bq="tehwatever"]
> In close quarter combat the alicorns would get absolutely clobbered, and I assume the unicorns would wanna eventually get in that range.[/bq]
3. What's "close quarter" in this context? If so close there's no time to spellcast alicorns have the advantage of earth pony strength and stamina. Tempest is the only one with the skill to possibly hold her own that way, but see 1. And since alicorns have wing they'd be able to keep at range if they wanted.
By Season 9 Twilight hurt Tirek when Star Swirl and Mistmane combined couldn't, the Pony of Shadows claim no longer applies. WHEN is this hypothetical fight supposed to apply?
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*The Journal of the Two Sisters
So in pure power, Alicorns win by a fact of 4. The question is can the Unicorns last long enough to come up with a tactic to win?
Starlight, the only one to have fought an Alicorn in a fair fight and the most tactical at using her magic could merely match one. Star Swirl and Mistmane need Stygian to come up with tactics and did poorly agains Tirek without. Tempest stated she only won against them because she used the Obsidian Orbs. Shining's lost every fight he's been in suggesting his shield magic isn't flexible enough for such fight. Sunset has never shown any fighting ability or "OP" magic, just what's normal for a trained Unicorn.
In short, Alicorns with at least 3 out of 4. Unicorn's win requires they get lucky.
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[bq="tehwatever"]
> They wouldn't beam struggle with the alicorns, no. They'd have to outsmart them and frankly, when you have two of the pillars and three ex-villains with brilliant minds, the alicorns are gonna have a
1. The Pillar's needed Stygian to come up with strategies and without him they lost agains Tirek who Twilight was able to fair far better against. Starlight's tactic meant she could only fight Twilight to a standstill. Tempest stated in the comics she count have beat them without the Obsidian Orbs. Sunset has never shown brilliance in a fight and despite her arrogance in the fist movie never tried to fight Twilight as a unicorn instead using stealth and fleeing.
[bq="tehwatever"]
> Starlight is Equestria's best active unicorn combat mage, Tempest is the best pound per pound fighter and Armor was top echelon royal guard before his marriage.
2. Twilight being the best alicorn combat mage is at least the same if not far more impressive. See 1. for Tempest. Shining Armor and royal guard aways losing, worse than the Alicorn who's defeats are treated as a big deal, means his echelon means nothing in terms of actual ability.
[bq="tehwatever"]
> In close quarter combat the alicorns would get absolutely clobbered, and I assume the unicorns would wanna eventually get in that range.
3. What's "close quarter" in this context? If so close there's no time to spellcast alicorns have the advantage of earth pony strength and stamina. Tempest is the only one with the skill to possibly hold her own that way, but see 1. And since alicorns have wing they'd be able to keep at range if they wanted.