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belmontzar

@AaronMk
If people could actually be counted on to not only willingly come together or actually plan on something as elaborate as any sort of council id be fine and like the idea, unfortunatly.. well… im fairly sure you know humanity and people well enough to know how far that tends to go. Technically safety meetings at my work are mandatory and not going to them, can lead to termination due to the large number of hazerdous things we work on/around on a daily basis. Yet even something as simple as that is beyond many many people.
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belmontzar

@Nido3
it is not that simple, in a sense, while none of them happen to be good or perfect, they are still a necessary thing conscious intelligent beings need directing, or direction of some sort. It is admittedly kind of paradoxical… we want to be in charge and in command of our lives, yet we require someone else to handle and take care of things such as laws and governmental functions. There is no getting around the fact we need some form of government overseeing our dumb azzes, that is just the way it is.
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Nido3

Watcher behind shades
@belmontzar
So get rid of the government and build a system that upsets the least amount of people. Ideally, the people being upset should be the worst kind of person. Maybe have workers vote out the drunk.
belmontzar

The fact lf the matter is that just about all forms of government have built in flaws, because of the fact they are government.
You either have the guy who kicks All kinds of a$$ being upset that he is treated the same as the guy who is drunk asleep on the bench.
Or a bunch of hard workers upset that this one crazy awesome guy makes ten times more than them when, in reality, these hard workers are not only in more danger, but pull in far more revenue than the one guy does these days.
There is no really good system, because we as humans wont LET there be a good system. SOMEONE has to be upset and want to change things, and honestly thats not entirely a bad thing.
During the early days of Covid I remember feeling both a mixture of Sheer Panic but also relief when I found out I was an Essential worker.
Me : YAY I CAN WORK!
then
Me : F*** I gotta walk into the wasteland!
My only main irritation is
"Hey look im important enough to work… but my paycheck remains the same."
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@Armagedonus
The fact that you don't know that every socialist whose engaged with just a bit of theory acknowledges that the capitalist mode of production is a necessary stage of societal development frankly demonstrates a fundamental lack of knowledge on the subject on your part.
Nido3

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@Armagedonus
The Soviets were socialist in name only. They were more along the lines of state capitalism. In America, we're capitalist but also have people trying to gut our welfare system which has only lead to revolts, leading to capitalism itself falling out of favor.
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@Moonatik
Paradox of anti-capitalism:
The loudest anti-capitalist voices come from rich countries that embranced it completly, while the most anti-capitalist countries start being capitalist when regimes dies and people are given free will.

Seriously, I am from post-soviet "socialist utopia" that embranced capitalism at the drop of the hat.
Result? We became over 10 times richier! And things like "empty shops" or "ration stamps" became history.
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@AaronMk
"Arena chances" comes with power rotation. This is easier to observe on the enterprise environment, especially when there is a radical change in consuming culture or supply chain. Like when a mining town run out of ore to sell and become a tourist town, or even something more dramatic like Uber taking over taxis. It's fascinating to try and understand power switches.

I had the distinct privilege of growing up in a "industrial district (single industry city)" and see the chaos left behind after someone grabs the CEO throne:
The way the town votes change, rich neighborhoods become vacant while poor neighborhoods are suddenly rich, old social clubs change flags, even the town cultural events went from "MPB" music to country music. Not to say the wave of unemployment has every other business adapts to the new meta game of the head industry. It ain't pretty, but sure is interesting.


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#Turmoil2020's
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To be honest I gave up on the front runners so I'll cast in with a third party to be uncounted for either. More effort needs to be devoted to other sectors of the political field to do actual shit. Join a union, be warm blood on strikes. Protest. Stop being passive and doing politics for Twitter points.

To a degree voting can do a thing but ultimately the president can only operate within a narrow field. If you want anything real from the office, the arena needs to be changed.
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@AaronMk
I'd also like to add to this that after Trump announced the most stupidest idea that should've guaranteed that no one would've vote for him, everyone else started to celebrate way too early on this and even worse, tried WAY too hard to show why he would be the (proven) worse president to vote for and completely went to neglect Clinton and her ideas to improve on America's problems.

I fear if we did the same thing before, plus demonizing anyone who "might've voted for him," and ignore Joe Biden, Trump will win again. Which is something we need to avoid, but not with the "at all costs" mentality that people seem to think we have.
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#Turmoil2020's
@Moonatik

I just wanted to plug it in somewhere really.

But having been a veteran of marketing classes in _ a c a d e m i a _ I can only say what they told me: they're only up to date so long as their methodology is valid. So who's to say in five years there's not some trend that skews the polls.

Like, I dunno: a militant labour movement that as principle abstains from elections and takes out a chunk of the voter base?

As a related thing, I think this was the case in America in 2016 but not out of some organized political absentia. I remember in the lead up to the election a lot of stories and interviews with people who expressed support of Clinton and the polls were strong and there was high confidence. But with all that, the same people being interviewed showing strong support for Clinton were themselves so confident they expressed they saw no need to going to vote. While this is anecdotal and I possess no hard data on this, I'll hazard that the disconnect between polling and election in this case did not factor for absentia through even over-confidence. Let alone actual politically minded absentia that would be fun to see. But America also has a strong culture of just not turning up to vote anyways.
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@belmontzar
"This is not the way of Martin Luthor… no this is Marxism. All you do is hurt everyone when all we want is a fair shake and honest treatment."


For one, Martin Luther King was a socialist, so this doesn't really make much sense. What is even meant by "Marxism" here?

Additionally, everybody is experiencing the pandemic and the economic recession, when only a few parts of a few cities are really being significantly damaged by the riots. You can't wish away 156,000 COVID deaths, colossal unemployment, and an unprecedented eviction crisis by screaming "antifa!!!". That only appeals to Trump's base, which is an increasingly smaller number of people who were going to vote for him anyway.

@AaronMk
As I previously mentioned, after getting it wrong in 2015 and 2017, British polling agencies refined their methodology to prevent the same sort of thing from happening, and by 2019 they seem to have gotten it figured out.
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#Turmoil2020's
@Moonatik
@YourPalWaver
Corbyn was the most disliked opposition leader… ever, actually. It's honestly amazing that so many people, myself included, didn't see the defeat coming from a mile away.


I don't know where to include this in the conversation but when it comes to polling there's a lot of outside factors that plug into them usually that have to be considered, and not just that a poll was done showing X. The methodology of the poll can have a large impact including how they conducted the poll. Telephone banking can often skew a poll towards an older generation for instance where as doing a poll online can skew it younger, and either generation can have their own distinct politics that weigh into it. You could random sample on the street directly, but this becomes a question of where you do that random sampling to account for regional biases. This does not include aforementioned biasing in the phrasing of questions or even the possible interpretation of answers not on a strict sliding scale for instance.

Optimally, a poll would have to be randomized using a large set of outreach methodologies to compensate for the diversity of groups who may be represented in the polling and geographic location. A random sampling in a large city does not represent the suburbs or even the countryside. The later even, sampling in cities, is even an issue in sociological and behavioral research leaving rise to the descriptor of WEIRD, Western, Educated, Industrialized, Rich, Democratic: or college or university populations.
belmontzar

@Nido3
@belmontzar
Look up the 14 characteristics of fascism then look at his call to stall the elections and the state of the USPS.

Im not saying hes in the right at all. The dude is a messed up guy, im just pointing out what hes using or seems to be ready to be using.
belmontzar

@Background Pony #148D
Yeah Trump needs a miracle at this point (mind you that actually could happen somehow since apparently this year insanity is the norm) but outside of that he's toast. Biden just isn't as hated by your average, heh, 'Joe' as Clinton was.

He actually has a rather solid strategy going right now election wise by siding so much with Police. Many of the people shouting Black Lived Matter are out there causing problems and being a hazard. So Trump is using all the rioting and Violence to his advantage, pointing out all the causes Democrats support, and the rioting caused by thise Causes. He is going for a 'Neighborhood safety' approach that might be more effective than people expect. Particularly since people ar3 just shouting the cause to try and get away with things recently.
"Do you want your buisness broken into or burned down by radicals or rioters? Keep your home and jobs safe by supporting the police and me." Kinda deal.
I saw this funny story about a bunch of guys going into a restaurant shouting "Black Livee Matter!" And… most of the patrons in the place… were Black.
Yes the Black Lives Matter activists were pushed out… by Black guys who just wanted to eat in peace.
"This is not the way of Martin Luthor… no this is Marxism. All you do is hurt everyone when all we want is a fair shake and honest treatment."
belmontzar

Violence and loudness always attracts the most attention.
[Here is a real life example] You can have a room of about a thousand people and have one guy on your side get so Angry they pick up a chair.
In reality a bunch of people got up and basically calmed the guy down, talked him calm and NO ONE was hurt or injured at all. The even was even recorded and live streamed so we even have Physical evidence that everything calmed down.

Yet according to the Media this guy was a raging psychopath who sent multiple people to the hospital and caused a large amount of property damage.

It is true people had to go to the hospital, but we were all stuck in a room for over ten hours without many breaks because it was a voting thing. The people who went to the hospital were Elderly people who stayed so long without food or medication. That they NEEDED to be given medical help.