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@Background Pony #0A25
My apologies for not referencing them, but I’d hardly call things like the comic’s take on dragons a minor inconvenience. The series repeatedly stated ponies know very little about dragons, then along came a story in the comics where we have a whole society of them living in one of Equestria’s major cities. I recall a lot of controversy occurred during this as fans debated whether such a thing existed in the animated series. Then came the episode that introduced the dragon lands and confirmed again that in the series dragons normally have nothing to do with ponies and ponies knew little about them.
That’s what’s called a series continuity error. And the only significant example in an expanded universe. One that shouldn’t be used as an argument for anything regarding a series whose cartoon has its own share of continuity errors. (Hello there, Tanks for the Memories, Luna Eclipsed, Family Appreciation Day.)
 
Then we have stories like Discord going on an adventure with the CMC and befriending them, only for us to later find in the “Make New Friends but Keep Discord” episode that the CMC do not like him.
That’s because the comics, for the most part, are written so that the order that they happen is up to the reader. Same with the EQG films and the chapter books. And in case you haven’t noticed, the series has a habit of using Bellisario’s Maxim.
 
I also recall there being a comic where Luna and Celestia switched jobs, which if it happened in the animated series would make the “A Royal Problem” episode’s premise impossible.
Not necessarily. Since such an event can happen more than once.
 
I don’t read the comics much so others can probably list the contradictions easier, and such people’s comments have convinced me over time to regard the comics as a separate canon whenever they contradict the series.
Because it was a reveal that took place in the comics, which many have not read, and has yet to have any effect on anything in the animated series.
Which doesn’t mean​ that it’s not canon.
 
I didn’t forget the words so much as can’t find any signs they have any bearing on the animated series’ version of Nightmare Moon.
What about that picture I showed you earlier, with the black mist engulfing Luna? That same black mist is seen coming off of Nightmare Moon’s remains. Plus, again, there’s Lauren Faust’s comments about Nightmare Moon.
 
Also, my whole point about how the series has presented evil transformations is that they can occur unintentionally, with negative traits in a given character proceeding to basically run out of control and drive them mad.
They also occur under conditions involving a specific catalyst. Sunset had the Element of Magic, Sci-Twi had a magic-draining pendant, and Luna and Rarity both had the same demon possessing them at different times.
 
I’m all for them revealing some evil entity that can cause Nightmare Moon-style transformations
And again, you’re asking for something that already happened. Why should it matter that said reveal happened in the expanded universe?
 
but episodes like this one just seem to reaffirm that such a being had nothing to do with those transformations in the animated series
Which is true for only Midnight Sparkle and Demon Sunset, not Nightmare Moon/Rarity. Daybreaker, we don’t know about, but Celestia’s words about Daybreaker do imply that it’s conditions much like Nightmare Moon/Rarity, which could (partially) explain why Celestia chose to use the Elements of Harmony against Nightmare Moon.
 
and rather that the transformations are a inherent danger of having power as great as Luna’s and Celestia’s.
Ignoring once again what Lauren Faust said about Nightmare Moon.
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Daybreaker is so much better than that pathetic asshat Helios anyway.
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You haven’t actually given any reason for anyone to believe that these supposed “major contradictions” aren’t merely a result of your own headcanon trying to deal with minor inconveniences between a cartoon and its Expanded Universe. This isn’t even getting into the fact that the cartoon itself isn’t even continuity-heavy in the first place.
 
My apologies for not referencing them, but I’d hardly call things like the comic’s take on dragons a minor inconvenience. The series repeatedly stated ponies know very little about dragons, then along came a story in the comics where we have a whole society of them living in one of Equestria’s major cities. I recall a lot of controversy occurred during this as fans debated whether such a thing existed in the animated series. Then came the episode that introduced the dragon lands and confirmed again that in the series dragons normally have nothing to do with ponies and ponies knew little about them.
 
Then we have stories like Discord going on an adventure with the CMC and befriending them, only for us to later find in the “Make New Friends but Keep Discord” episode that the CMC do not like him. I also recall there being a comic where Luna and Celestia switched jobs, which if it happened in the animated series would make the “A Royal Problem” episode’s premise impossible.
 
I don’t read the comics much so others can probably list the contradictions easier, and such people’s comments have convinced me over time to regard the comics as a separate canon whenever they contradict the series.
 
The reveal already happened. Back in 2013 no less. Why insist otherwise?
 
Because it was a reveal that took place in the comics, which many have not read, and has yet to have any effect on anything in the animated series.
 
You forgot the words “and being lied to by a demonic spirit, and deals with the devil, and demonic possession” after the word “jealousy.” And besides, don’t you think that your statement​ that she never intended to transform like that conflicts with your initial claim that she transformed using her own magic, in addition to supporting what we’re​ told in the comics and by Lauren Faust?
 
I didn’t forget the words so much as can’t find any signs they have any bearing on the animated series’ version of Nightmare Moon.
 
Also, my whole point about how the series has presented evil transformations is that they can occur unintentionally, with negative traits in a given character proceeding to basically run out of control and drive them mad. There’s even a trope for it, “With Great Power Comes Great Insanity.”
 
I’m all for them revealing some evil entity that can cause Nightmare Moon-style transformations, but episodes like this one just seem to reaffirm that such a being had nothing to do with those transformations in the animated series, and rather that the transformations are a inherent danger of having power as great as Luna’s and Celestia’s.
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Of course not, but its been well established in MLP that out of control magic can corrupt a character and make them act in ways they never would when in their right mind. The magic doesn’t even have to be evil, just more than the character is ready for (as has been done three times now in Equestria Girls).
And one of those instances in Equestria Girls is a result of someone being too power-hungry (Demon!Sunset), whereas another instance is a result of someone tampering with things that they don’t understand (Midnight Sparkle). Luna’s case? Word of God pretty much says that she was outright cursed, bringing up the question of who cursed her. The comics both answer that question, and spell out that it was more than a curse involved, but also trickery (that Luna fell for, hook, line, and sinker), and demonic possession. And all trying to invoke Death of the Author or Fanon Discontinuity does in this case is create unnecessary logical leaps.
 
The difference is that unlike in Equestria girls where absorbing too much magic from outside was the problem, in this episode Daybreaker implies that getting consumed with your own magic can also transform you if you are powerful enough.
>Implying that Luna transformed as a result of her own magic instead of a combination of both demonic possession and being played for a sap. Which only ends up with an interpretation of Luna that suggests that she was evil by default; one of the unnecessary logical leaps I mentioned.
 
And given how often the series has contradicted the comics
You haven’t actually given any reason for anyone to believe that these supposed “major contradictions” aren’t merely a result of your own headcanon trying to deal with minor inconveniences between a cartoon and its Expanded Universe. This isn’t even getting into the fact that the cartoon itself isn’t even continuity-heavy in the first place.
 
do you really think that after all this time they will eventually come out and suddenly reveal there was an outside evil force corrupting Luna?
The reveal already happened. Back in 2013 no less. Why insist otherwise?
 
The show has never shied away from addressing corruptive influences, so why has Luna’s transformation never been called anything but her own fault?
How about the fact that just having a hand in letting any bad thing happen can cause one to feel guilty about the deed despite not commiting the deed in the first place? Take a look at Cloud Strife and Vincent Valentine from FF7 if you don’t believe me.
 
She got forgiven easily because she never intended to transform like that, it was a byproduct of selfish and jealousy, but not murderous intentions that led to insanity that the Elements eventually freed her of.
You forgot the words “and being lied to by a demonic spirit, and deals with the devil, and demonic possession” after the word “jealousy.” And besides, don’t you think that your statement​ that she never intended to transform like that conflicts with your initial claim that she transformed using her own magic, in addition to supporting what we’re​ told in the comics and by Lauren Faust?
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The fight itself in isolation was still one of the coolest things ever put on the big screen, though.
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Of course this is also coming from the guy who explicitly said the point of it all was that he had to kill Zod to explain why he decided to not want to kill anyone ever again because he couldn’t understand why he wouldn’t otherwise. Snyder is a possibly deranged person who doesn’t seem to understand the concept of empathy.
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What I heard was that the intention with the Zod fight was to show that Superman was so outclassed that he couldn’t avoid collateral damage, recall this is a Superman with almost no experience fighting. Course the lack of dialog addressing this hurt that intention a lot.
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And you can’t really tell me with a straight face that Luna loathed her own sister​ so much that she tried to kill her.
 
Of course not, but its been well established in MLP that out of control magic can corrupt a character and make them act in ways they never would when in their right mind. The magic doesn’t even have to be evil, just more than the character is ready for (as has been done three times now in Equestria Girls). The difference is that unlike in Equestria girls where absorbing too much magic from outside was the problem, in this episode Daybreaker implies that getting consumed with your own magic can also transform you if you are powerful enough.
 
And given how often the series has contradicted the comics, do you really think that after all this time they will eventually come out and suddenly reveal there was an outside evil force corrupting Luna? The show has never shied away from addressing corruptive influences, so why has Luna’s transformation never been called anything but her own fault? She got forgiven easily because she never intended to transform like that, it was a byproduct of selfish and jealous but not murderous intentions that led to insanity that the Elements eventually freed her of.
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Agreed, and BvS certainly did not help in any way addressing that.
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God, that fight scene epitomized my conflicted feelings for the DCEU. That fight was one of the coolest things I had EVER seen… but I had to shit off my brain and pretend that wasn’t Superman in order to enjoy it. There is NO WAY Superman would have been so nonchalant about collateral damage there, not with the number of civilians he likely got killed.
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Aw yes, thank you for correcting me. Yeah Man of Steel is kind of the example of punching your way out of things.
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I’m pointing out that DBZ was not the best example to use here, because if they were going all out with every attack, the planet would be destroyed by any stray ki blast. A better example would be Man of Steel.
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The comics don’t count for the animated series whenever the animated series contradicts them.
Which never happened in this case.
 
In this case Luna and others have never once referred to her transformation into Nightmare Moon as having had anything to do with any outside forces, evil or otherwise.
Instead its been repeatedly stated it was Luna’s own feelings and powers
and nopony speaking of it has ever even hinted at outside forces being involved.

 
I don’t know about you. But that black mist doesn’t look like anything that Luna could conjure up, nor would she want to conjure up anything like that. Especially given how it manifests in this image, and her reaction once it comes into view on-screen. (That same black mist is chonologically later seen coming off of Nightmare Moon’s remains after Nightmare Moon herself was defeated by the Mane 6.) Couple this together with what Lauren Faust said on the matter, and the fact that she was so easily forgiven for NMM’s actions, and the pieces start to fall into place. And besides, what fueled the transformation =/= what triggered the transformation. And you can’t really tell me with a straight face that Luna loathed her own sister​ so much that she tried to kill her. Especially when Journal of the Two Sisters shows that the two were very close.
 
Luna has only ever blamed herself for the transformation
Which doesn’t mean that outside forces weren’t involved. Only that she allowed the outside forces in question to play her like a violin, and paid a heavy price for it.
 
One would think if they had any intention of making Faust’ original idea for Nightmare Moon canon then they would have mentioned it by now, instead of repeatedly indicating otherwise.
Mentioning what fueled the transformation isn’t the same thing as contradicting what both Expanded Universe material and Word of God has said about the matter. Not to mention, it’d be kinda pointless to mention it in the show when Expanded Universe material already covered it.
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The comics don’t count for the animated series whenever the animated series contradicts them. In this case Luna and others have never once referred to her transformation into Nightmare Moon as having had anything to do with any outside forces, evil or otherwise. Instead its been repeatedly stated it was Luna’s own feelings and powers, Luna has only ever blamed herself for the transformation and nopony speaking of it has ever even hinted at outside forces being involved. One would think if they had any intention of making Faust’ original idea for Nightmare Moon canon then they would have mentioned it by now, instead of repeatedly indicating otherwise.
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@IceKitsune: Nightmare Moon isn’t the result of Luna holding nothing back, though.
But is that the case? The show has never before tried to explain the precise mechanism that caused the transformation (the comics don’t count).
@bolded: Care to explain how?
 
That is we know Luna became bitter and jealous, we know she transformed, but it was never stated that those feelings alone are what transformed her (after all Luna was jealous and bitter for quite a while before transforming). This episode implies that instead those feelings could have convinced her to embrace her full power, and in turn get corrupted by it (as its a established trope in the series by now that taking on more magic than your mind is prepared for tends to turn you into an insane villain).
And this ignores the fact that Lauren Faust explicitly stated that evil magic, not just jealousy, was responsible for the creation of NMM. All the comics did was identify where the evil magic came from.
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@IceKitsune: Nightmare Moon isn’t the result of Luna holding nothing back, though.
 
But is that the case? The show has never before tried to explain the precise mechanism that caused the transformation (the comics don’t count).
 
That is we know Luna became bitter and jealous, we know she transformed, but it was never stated that those feelings alone are what transformed her (after all Luna was jealous and bitter for quite a while before transforming). This episode implies that instead those feelings could have convinced her to embrace her full power, and in turn get corrupted by it (as its a established trope in the series by now that taking on more magic than your mind is prepared for tends to turn you into an insane villain).
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@IceKitsune: Nightmare Moon isn’t the result of Luna holding nothing back, though.
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I guess princesses have absurd amount of raw magical strength. And a deity level princess like Celestia is probably able to decimate Equestria with relative ease.
 
Powerful unicorns like Starlight may be excellent at complex high level magic and elaborate spells, but if she was to beam struggle with a princess, she’d definitely lose.  
Even Cadence at full power can probably overpower Starlight.
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Such an awesome moment of pure power; something tells me this Celestia wouldn’t job to snow.
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I didn’t know that was a thing I just meant how they ki blast everything out of the way.