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Cool, you can use Google too. That's literally a copy-paste of the definition; props for that!


 
You can over-explain the dictionary definition of the word "semantics" until you're blue in the face, but that isn't going to make me lose the train of the initial argument. Mostly because a dictionary definition here means very little in the face of the topic at hand (don't worry, this applies to what comes next too). Or paw, _*or hoof_*, if I'm to continue the trend of the joke that I've been driving into the ground. Realistically, we're both making our case from a semantic and opinionated point-of-view, but whatever. I'm having fun.


 
Also, regarding furries; there's no _*official_* definition of the furry fandom as far as the internet _*as a whole_* is concerned; oh, God, that'd be an interesting insert for dictionaries everywhere. The only thing that seems accepted at face-value, all the time, is that they're an ostracized community that obsesses over animals. That's about as base and bare-bones as the definition gets. Be it four legs or two, furries are into it. Very, _*very_*, into it.


 
Perhaps uncomfortably so. But let's move on.


 
Your second argument has more flaws than the first. Like, _*all the flaws._

*
 
I would argue that, yes, for a group of animalistic creatures to do the following:

 
- Build a society complete with a central government
 
- Institute/grant jobs for the common folk to work
 
- Instate logistical functions like police and military that are needed in order to keep the peace and uphold the law (laws, which must be instated by the aforementioned government)
 
- Build blimps with which to traverse the skies
 
- Cultivate farms to grow food (I should've probably just relegated that to the "job" category, but whatever)
 
- Craft pointless niceties like designer clothing outlets to be desired by the masses (I'm so sorry for saying that, Rarity; I'm just trying to make a point, honest)
 
- Build schools to teach every next generation, et cetera


 
Blah blah blah. So much! _*Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much! So many intricate and absurdly complicated things that makes them basically human._* Oh, except they have hooves and magic. I forgot, in this flawed argument, it's the appearance that matters the most. My bad.


 
All sarcasm aside (well, not _*all_*), those things do in fact make them _*very_*, _*incredibly_*, almost _*stupidly_* human. Mostly because, aside from the current shape and form that we as the human race exist in, those are all of the traits that make us an "arisen" species that no longer has to forage in the dung for good bugs to eat or fear thunder like it's God's way of screaming at us.


 
Look, I know gorillas and dolphins are very smart, especially by stupid animal standards, and we humans proved this by teaching a gorilla sign language, but I don't think they're quite to the point of _*"build a prison to contain our world's ultimate evils because the moral quandary of killing them is complicated"_* smart. You know, otherwise known as "Tartarus" in the magical pastel-colored pony realm.


 
These things are not "common" for all sapient creatures. A chimpanzee driving a stick down a termite mound in order to collect a tasty snack is not the same as a collective family working a farm to grow food for an entire community. A howler monkey being able to scream a message of _*general danger_* to other howler monkies is not the same as _*literally writing a letter to the ruler of an organized nation that an imminent threat has been made against said organized nation._

*
 
Pony society (and very likely _*all_* societies within the MLP universe) is much like our own.


 
So, clearly, even without standing on two legs, these ponies are anthropomorphic. So, where do we go from here?


 
Well, you can still enjoy the show without being a furry. Hell, enjoying the movie _*Zootopia_* doesn't immediately make you a furry. However, there's a point that one can cross, more than likely on the internet, that changes things.


 
Sexualization.


 
Once you sexualize an animalistic character, you're pretty much automatically furry. _*"Oh, but it's only MLP characters! Only them and nothing else!"_* Weak defense, bro. Wouldn't hold up, not even in the silliest court of law. Likewise, the old _*"Oh, but it's an alien!"_* line is also super weak. Just because someone wants to get wet'n'wild with a xenomorph doesn't mean they're exempt from the furry clause, yo.


 
See, it's the mental gymnastics involved that I find the most embarrassing. The whole, _*"No, I'm not a furry **because**~_

*
 
At the end of the day, people like what they like. If they're into furry stuff, whatever. I'm not here to judge. I just find the whole argument involving MLP very contrived, deflective, and pointless. Just like what you like and admit it. Beating around the bush is just sad and pathetic.


 
Think about it this way: The _*only_* way other people are going to know that you're a furry is if you _*let_* them know. If you enjoy furry art, be it conventional or MLP-related, _*just don't let anybody know!_* Problem solved in the easiest and most obvious manner possible. Griping, bitching, moaning, complaining, and screaming about it on the internet only serves the purpose of pointing out that you're basically the biggest furry to ever exist.


 
And to finish this off:

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> [@Joseph Raszagal":](/images/2294791#comment_9430324
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> Ignoring the meaning of words, doesn't change their existence of meaning, it just means you're basically denying reality in favor of opinion.[/bq]

 
And you're right, it doesn't! You're denying the truth of furry sexualization right here and it's hilarious! =D Thank you for attending my second Ted Talk.

"@Sergalpony":/images/2294791#comment_9432309
Cool, you can use Google too. That's literally a copy-paste of the definition; props for that!

You can over-explain the dictionary definition of the word "semantics" until you're blue in the face, but that isn't going to make me lose the train of the initial argument. Mostly because a dictionary definition here means very little in the face of the topic at hand (don't worry, this applies to what comes next too). Or paw, _or hoof_, if I'm to continue the trend of the joke that I've been driving into the ground. Realistically, we're both making our case from a semantic and opinionated point-of-view, but whatever. I'm having fun.

Also, regarding furries; there's no _official_ definition of the furry fandom as far as the internet _as a whole_ is concerned; oh, God, that'd be an interesting insert for dictionaries everywhere. The only thing that seems accepted at face-value, all the time, is that they're an ostracized community that obsesses over animals. That's about as base and bare-bones as the definition gets. Be it four legs or two, furries are into it. Very, _very_, into it.

Perhaps uncomfortably so. But let's move on.

Your second argument has more flaws than the first. Like, _all the flaws._

I would argue that, yes, for a group of animalistic creatures to bdo the following:
- Build a society complete with a central government,
- wInstithute/grant jobs for the common folk to work,
- Instate logistical functions like police and military tohat bare needed in order to keep the peace and uphold the law (laws, which must be instated by the aforementioned government),
- Build blimps with which to traverse the skies
- Cultivate farms to grow food (I should've probably just relegated that to the "job" category, but whatever),
- Craft pointless niceties like designer clothing outlets to be desired by the masses (I'm so sorry for saying that, Rarity); I'm just trying to make a point, honest)
- Build schools to teach every next generation, et cetera

Blah blah blah. So much! _Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much! So many intricate and absurdly complicated things that makes them basically human._ Oh, except they have hooves and magic. I forgot, in this flawed argument, it's the appearance that matters the most. My bad.

All sarcasm aside (well, not _all_), those things do in fact make them _very_, _incredibly_, almost _stupidly_ human. Mostly because, aside from the current shape and form that we as the human race exist in, those are all of the traits that make us an "arisen" species that no longer has to forage in the dung for good bugs to eat or fear thunder like it's God's way of screaming at us.

Look, I know gorillas and dolphins are very smart, especially by stupid animal standards, and we humans proved this by teaching a gorilla sign language, but I don't think they're quite to the point of _"build a prison to contain our world's ultimate evils because the moral quandary of killing them is complicated"_ smart. You know, otherwise known as "Tartarus" in the magical pastel-colored pony realm.

These things are not "common" for all sapient creatures. A chimpanzee driving a stick down a termite mound in order to collect a tasty snack is not the same as a collective family working a farm to grow food for an entire community. A howler monkey being able to scream a message of _general danger_ to other howler monkies is not the same as _literally writing a letter to the ruler of an organized nation that an imminent threat has been made against said organized nation._

Pony society (and very likely _all_ societies within the MLP universe) is much like our own.

So, clearly, even without standing on two legs, these ponies are anthropomorphic. So, where do we go from here?

Well, you can still enjoy the show without being a furry. Hell, enjoying the movie _Zootopia_ doesn't immediately make you a furry. However, there's a point that one can cross, more than likely on the internet, that changes things.

Sexualization.

Once you sexualize an animalistic character, you're pretty much automatically furry. _"Oh, but it's only MLP characters! Only them and nothing else!"_ Weak defense, bro. Wouldn't hold up, not even in the silliest court of law. Likewise, the old _"Oh, but it's an alien!"_ line is also super weak. Just because someone wants to get wet'n'wild with a xenomorph doesn't mean they're exempt from the furry clause, yo.

See, it's the mental gymnastics involved that I find the most embarrassing. The whole, _"No, I'm not a furry *because*~_

At the end of the day, people like what they like. If they're into furry stuff, whatever. I'm not here to judge. I just find the whole argument involving MLP very contrived, deflective, and pointless. Just like what you like and admit it. Beating around the bush is just sad and pathetic.

Think about it this way: The _only_ way other people are going to know that you're a furry is if you _let_ them know. If you enjoy furry art, be it conventional or MLP-related, _just don't let anybody know!_ Problem solved in the easiest and most obvious manner possible. Griping, bitching, moaning, complaining, and screaming about it on the internet only serves the purpose of pointing out that you're basically the biggest furry to ever exist.

And to finish this off:

"@Sergalpony":/images/2294791#comment_9432309
[bq="Sergalpony"] "@Joseph Raszagal":/images/2294791#comment_9430324
Ignoring the meaning of words, doesn't change their existence of meaning, it just means you're basically denying reality in favor of opinion.[/bq]
And you're right, it doesn't! You're denying the truth of furry sexualization right here and it's hilarious! =D Thank you for attending my second Ted Talk.

"@Sergalpony":/images/2294791#comment_9432309
Cool, you can use Google too. That's literally a copy-paste of the definition; props for that!

You can over-explain the dictionary definition of the word "semantics" until you're blue in the face, but that isn't going to make me lose the train of the initial argument. Mostly because a dictionary definition here means very little in the face of the topic at hand (don't worry, this applies to what comes next too). Or paw, _or hoof_, if I'm to continue the trend of the joke that I've been driving into the ground. Realistically, we're both making our case from a semantic and opinionated point-of-view, but whatever. I'm having fun.

Also, regarding furries; there's no _official_ definition of the furry fandom as far as the internet _as a whole_ is concerned; oh, God, that'd be an interesting insert for dictionaries everywhere. The only thing that seems accepted at face-value, all the time, is that they're an ostracized community that obsesses over animals. That's about as base and bare-bones as the definition gets. Be it four legs or two, furries are into it. Very, _very_, into it.

Perhaps uncomfortably so. But let's move on.

Your second argument has more flaws than the first. I would argue that, yes, for a group of animalistic creatures to build a society complete with a central government, with jobs for the common folk to work, functions like police and military to be needed in order to uphold the law (laws, which must be instated by the aforementioned government), farms to grow food (should probably relegate that to the "job" category, but whatever), pointless niceties like designer clothing outlets to be desired (I'm so sorry for saying that, Rarity), schools to teach every next generation, et cetera.

Look, I know gorillas and dolphins are very smart, we humans proved this by teaching a gorilla sign language, but I don't think they're quite to the point of _"build a prison to contain our world's ultimate evils because the moral quandary of killing them is complicated"_ smart. You know, Tartarus.

These things are not "common" for all sapient creatures. A chimpanzee driving a stick down a termite mound in order to collect a tasty snack is not the same as a collective family working a farm to grow food for an entire community. A howler monkey being able to scream a message of _general danger_ to other howler monkies is not the same as _literally writing a letter to the ruler of an organized nation that an imminent threat has been made against said organized nation._

Pony society (and very likely _all_ societies within the MLP universe) is much like our own.

So, clearly, even without standing on two legs, these ponies are anthropomorphic. So, where do we go from here?

Well, you can still enjoy the show without being a furry. Hell, enjoying the movie _Zootopia_ doesn't immediately make you a furry. However, there's a point that one can cross, more than likely on the internet, that changes things.

Sexualization.

Once you sexualize an animalistic character, you're pretty much automatically furry. _"Oh, but it's only MLP characters! Only them and nothing else!"_ Weak defense, bro. Wouldn't hold up, not even in the silliest court of law. Likewise, the old _"Oh, but it's an alien!"_ line is also super weak. Just because someone wants to get wet'n'wild with a xenomorph doesn't mean they're exempt from the furry clause, yo.

See, it's the mental gymnastics involved that I find the most embarrassing. The whole, _"No, I'm not a furry *because*~_

At the end of the day, people like what they like. If they're into furry stuff, whatever. I'm not here to judge. I just find the whole argument involving MLP very contrived, deflective, and pointless. Just like what you like and admit it. Beating around the bush is just sad and pathetic.

Think about it this way: The _only_ way other people are going to know that you're a furry is if you _let_ them know. If you enjoy furry art, be it conventional or MLP -related, _just don't let anybody know!_ Problem solved in the easiest and most obvious manner possible. Griping, bitching, moaning, complaining, and screaming about it on the internet only serves the purpose of pointing out that you're basically the biggest furry to ever exist.

And to finish this off:

"@Sergalpony":/images/2294791#comment_9432309
[bq="Sergalpony"] "@Joseph Raszagal":/images/2294791#comment_9430324
Ignoring the meaning of words, doesn't change their existence of meaning, it just means you're basically denying reality in favor of opinion.[/bq]
And you're right, it doesn't! You're denying the truth of furry sexualization right here and it's hilarious! =D Thank you for attending my second Ted Talk.

"@Sergalpony":/images/2294791#comment_9432309
Cool, you can use Google too. That's literally a copy-paste of the definition; props for that!

You can over-explain the dictionary definition of the word "semantics" until you're blue in the face, but that isn't going to make me lose the train of the initial argument. Mostly because a dictionary definition here means very little in the face of the topic at hand (don't worry, this applies to what comes next too). Or paw, _or hoof_, if I'm to continue the trend of the joke that I've been driving into the ground. Realistically, we're both making our case from a semantic and opinionated point-of-view, but whatever. I'm having fun.

Also, regarding furries; there's no _official_ definition of the furry fandom as far as the internet _as a whole_ is concerned; oh, God, that'd be an interesting insert for dictionaries everywhere. The only thing that seems accepted at face-value, all the time, is that they're an ostracized community that obsesses over animals. That's about as base and bare-bones as the definition gets. Be it four legs or two, furries are into it. Very, _very_, into it.

Perhaps uncomfortably so. But let's move on.

Your second argument has more flaws than the first. I would argue that, yes, for a group of animalistic creatures to build a society complete with a central government, with jobs for the common folk to work, functions like police and military to be needed in order to uphold the law (laws, which must be instated by the aforementioned government), farms to grow food (should probably relegate that to the "job" category, but whatever), pointless niceties like designer clothing outlets to be desired (I'm so sorry for saying that, Rarity), schools to teach every next generation, et cetera.

Look, I know gorillas and dolphins are very smart, we humans proved this by teaching a gorilla sign language, but I don't think they're quite to the point of _"build a prison to contain our world's ultimate evils because the moral quandary of killing them is complicated"_ smart. You know, Tartarus.

These things are not "common" for all sapient creatures. A chimpanzee driving a stick down a termite mound in order to collect a tasty snack is not the same as a collective family working a farm to grow food for an entire community. A howler monkey being able to scream a message of _general danger_ to other howler monkies is not the same as _literally writing a letter to the ruler of an organized nation that an imminent threat has been made against said organized nation._

Pony society (and very likely _all_ societies within the MLP universe) is much like our own.

So, clearly, even without standing on two legs, these ponies are anthropomorphic. So, where do we go from here?

Well, you can still enjoy the show without being a furry. Hell, enjoying the movie _Zootopia_ doesn't immediately make you a furry. However, there's a point that one can cross, more than likely on the internet, that changes things.

Sexualization.

Once you sexualize an animalistic character, you're pretty much automatically furry. _"Oh, but it's only MLP characters! Only them and nothing else!"_ Weak defense, bro. Wouldn't hold up, not even in the silliest court of law. Likewise, the old _"Oh, but it's an alien!"_ line is also super weak. Just because someone wants to get wet'n'wild with a xenomorph doesn't mean they're exempt from the furry clause, yo.

See, it's the mental gymnastics involved that I find the most embarrassing. The whole, _"No, I'm not a furry *because*~_

At the end of the day, people like what they like. If they're into furry stuff, whatever. I'm not here to judge. I just find the whole argument involving MLP very contrived, deflective, and pointless. Just like what you like and admit it. Beating around the bush is just sad and pathetic.

Think about it this way: The _only_ way other people are going to know that you're a furry is if you _let_ them know. If you enjoy furry art, be it conventional or MLP related, _just don't let anybody know!_ Problem solved in the easiest and most obvious manner possible. Griping, bitching, moaning, complaining, and screaming about it on the internet only serves the purpose of pointing out that you're basically the biggest furry to ever exist.

And to finish this off:

"@Sergalpony":/images/2294791#comment_9432309
[bq="Sergalpony"] "@Joseph Raszagal":/images/2294791#comment_9430324
Ignoring the meaning of words, doesn't change their existence of meaning, it just means you're basically denying reality in favor of opinion.[/bq]
And you're right, it doesn't! You're denying the truth of furry sexualization right here and it's hilarious! =D Thank you for attending my second Ted Talk.

"@Sergalpony":/images/2294791#comment_9432309
Cool, you can use Google too. That's literally a copy-paste of the definition; props for that!

You can over-explain the dictionary definition of the word "semantics" until you're blue in the face, but that isn't going to make me lose the train of the initial argument. Mostly because a dictionary definition here means very little in the face of the topic at hand (don't worry, this applies to what comes next too). Or paw, _or hoof_, if I'm to continue the trend of the joke that I've been driving into the ground. Realistically, we're both making our case from a semantic and opinionated point-of-view, but whatever. I'm having fun.

Also, regarding furries; there's no _official_ definition of the furry fandom as far as the internet _as a whole_ is concerned; oh, God, that'd be an interesting insert for dictionaries everywhere. The only thing that seems accepted at face-value, all the time, is that they're an ostracized community that obsesses over animals. That's about as base and bare-bones as the definition gets. Be it four legs or two, furries are into it. Very, _very_, into it.

Perhaps uncomfortably so. But let's move on.

Your second argument has more flaws than the first. I would argue that, yes, for a group of animalistic creatures to build a society complete with a central government, with jobs for the common folk to work, functions like police and military to be needed in order to uphold the law (laws, which must be instated by the aforementioned government), farms to grow food (should probably relegate that to the "job" category, but whatever), pointless niceties like designer clothing outlets to be desired (I'm so sorry for saying that, Rarity), schools to teach every next generation, et cetera.

Look, I know gorillas and dolphins are very smart, we humans proved this by teaching a gorilla sign language, but I don't think they're quite to the point of _"build a prison to contain our world's ultimate evils because the moral quandary of killing them is complicated"_ smart. You know, Tartarus.

These things are not "common" for all sapient creatures. A chimpanzee driving a stick down a termite mound in order to collect a tasty snack is not the same as a collective family working a farm to grow food for an entire community. A howler monkey being able to scream a message of _general danger_ to other howler monkies is not the same as _literally writing a letter to the ruler of an organized nation that an imminent threat has been made against said organized nation._

Pony society (and very likely _all_ societies within the MLP universe) is much like our own.

So, clearly, even without standing on two legs, these ponies are anthropomorphic. So, where do we go from here?

Well, you can still enjoy the show without being a furry. Hell, enjoying the movie _Zootopia_ doesn't immediately make you a furry. However, there's a point that one can cross, more than likely on the internet, that changes things.

Sexualization.

Once you sexualize an animalistic character, you're pretty much automatically furry. _"Oh, but it's only MLP characters! Only them and nothing else!"_ Weak defense, bro. Wouldn't hold up, not even in the silliest court of law. Likewise, the old _"Oh, but it's an alien!"_ line is also super weak. Just because someone wants to get wet'n'wild with a xenomorph doesn't mean they're exempt from the furry clause, yo.

See, it's the mental gymnastics involved that I find the most embarrassing. The whole, _"No, I'm not a furry *because*~_

At the end of the day, people like what they like. If they're into furry stuff, whatever. I'm not here to judge. I just find the whole argument involving MLP very contrived, deflective, and pointless. Just like what you like and admit it. RunnBeating around the bush is just sad and pathetic.

And to finish this off:

"@Sergalpony":/images/2294791#comment_9432309
[bq="Sergalpony"] "@Joseph Raszagal":/images/2294791#comment_9430324
Ignoring the meaning of words, doesn't change their existence of meaning, it just means you're basically denying reality in favor of opinion.[/bq]
And you're right, it doesn't! You're denying the truth of furry sexualization right here and it's hilarious! =D Thank you for attending my second Ted Talk.