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As for Grogar himself, I do like that he was once real in Equestrian history along with Gusty the Great, so I’m less upset about the twist. I’ve grown to accept it. Sure, I wish we could have seen the real Grogar kick some ass, but they should have introduced the real Grogar much earlier on in the show if they wanted to do that. And to be fair, looking at them side by side, Discord and Grogar do have very similar features. (Red & yellow eyes and goat-like features) so overall while it wasn’t perfect, it could have been worse. All I can do now is hope that the real Grogar shows up in the future of MLP and actually does things since many fans (myself included) have wanted to see him come back as a villain for years.
Leave people alone.
Maybe you should let people enjoy what they want and not be an asshole and bash everything then things would be fine
Maybe if you had no understanding of what good writing is, or mindlessly praise every episode and decision the writers make, then I could see why you think it was good.
Thank you for understanding. Now I’ll shut up. After all, I am just a stupid background pony who no one cares about.
Believe it or not, I understand completely where you’re coming from. I’m on the autism spectrum myself, and I feel the same way for the movie ‘Logan’ that you feel for the season 9 finale (I even tend to roll my eyes whenever someone claims it’s one of best Marvel movies of all time). However, despite that, I don’t tell people that they cannot like the movie just because I don’t, I just explain why I don’t like it if the subject comes up and then hopefully agree to disagree.
And I guess I do understand what your point of view is coming from, even if I respectfully disagree with it. (heck, not even I would say the finale was perfect. That Tirek vs Pillars fight really was quite underwhelming),
So as long as we can at least remain civil about it, then I accept your apology. Have a nice day.
Well I was trying to tell you, but nobody ever listens to me. I’m surrounded by hypocrites. All the likes for the finale make me want to kill myself.
The main thing is that I can’t understand how anyone would like the finale. I’m very sorry for becoming out of control and harassing you, but just a note, I am autistic and have a lot of pet peeves, with one being people liking something I really, really hate or vice versa. When that kind of stuff bugs me, I let my emotions get the best of me and I’m sorry that happened. (not being sarcastic)
Look, it’s fine that you like the finale, as long as you understand why I hate it. And then we can leave each other be. Again, I’m sorry if I went out of control, and have a nice day.
So salty in fact that now they’re resorting to personal insults to get their point across.
Salty much?
And here I thought people were getting sick of redemptions. I mean, do you even remember the outrage people had over Starlight Glimmer and especially Ahuizotl’s redemptions? I guess opinions change all the time, right?
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Everyone but me!? Are you bloody insane!? I can instantly prove you wrong on that point right here and now. Why don’t you ask Applegeek, BronyBurningAxe or Luffyiscool. I can keep going, but that will just be waste of time since this conversation really doesn’t seem to be leading anywhere.
Also, about respecting opinions. Well, I was about to respect that you didn’t like it and leave it at that. I mean, this is just a friendly discussion, right? But now you actually went ahead and insulted me, so that respect went right out the window. So now I’m telling you this. You can like or dislike whatever you want as much as you want, no matter what your reasoning is, and I will respect that…but you going out of your way to tell me I can’t like something or that I’m a brainless idiot for liking it, that is not okay.
Not. At. All.
Either way, I don’t even care if you respect my opinions. I can re-watch and enjoy the finale how much I want, and you can’t do a thing to stop me, so unless its an apology (for the insult, not your opinion of the finale), then I don’t want to talk to you anymore! So adios and goodbye!
What would be the point of Frenemies or The Summer Sun Setback? Their redemptions of course! That would be the big twist!
Of course I know what cringe means. Grogar being Discord is far from the only reason I hated the finale. There’s plenty of continuity errors to go along with it. Seriously, if you think the finale was epic, then get a life.
I respected your opinion on the finale but now I disrespect it because your reasons for liking it are STUPID. Everyone but you hated the finale.
I knew that was a popular theory before the finale aired…and it was the one thing I was really, really happy they didn’t do. I mean, if they threw away the trio to make way for Grogar, then what the hell would be the point of Frenemies or the Summer-Sun Setback? What would be the point in having a villain alliance to begin with? Why would they bother making building up how well they learned to work together if only to then say ‘SIKE! that was all for nothing!’ also, before you say they did the same for Grogar, remember who actually got the focus in the episodes leading up the finale and who just…there. Trust me, if that did happen, it would piss off just as many people as the Discord twist did, me especially! (also, Grogar did play a role in the finale, since it was his power and his bell the villains were using)
I liked the finale because it was freaking epic! Not because I’m trying to try out some opposite day thing for the haters. Also, are you seriously telling me you disregarded everything that happened in the finale, including the Starlight and Chrysalis fight (which we wouldn’t have had with Grogar), the Mane Six vs ailicorn Cozy Glow, the trio blowing up Canterlot, Twilight’s friends coming to support her in the Crystal Empire, and then the final fight where everyone ever shows up to help…or the quiet moment where they all settle for donuts by the end. Is that all ‘terrible and cringy’ as you put it just because that one blue goat guy with the personality of a rock wasn’t doing the exact same thing the other villains did just fine without him? Also, you clearly have no idea what ‘cringe’ means if you think any of it was cringy.
I’m sorry, but you’re being crazy. The villains scared of Grogar really shows how evil Grogar would be with his bell on.
Sure the characters had no connection with Grogar but that’s what would add to the fun. The battle with the Legion of Doom is what the battle with Grogar could have been.
I think a better twist would be that Grogar already knew they had his bell and planned to get revenge on them.
That is why I think of the finale as an alternate universe. I’m INCREDIBLY far from the only one who disagrees with you. It seems like the people like you who like the finale just defend it when people like me despise it, and disrespect our opinions on something worthy of hating.
The fact that they were initially terrified of Grogar made it even more satisfying for them to then turn the tables on him and use his own bell against him, draining his power and then using it for themselves. It shows just how powerful working together could be, and why three villains working together is stronger than any singular threat, even one as powerful as Grogar.
Having Grogar be the sole villain of the finale wouldn’t be make it any different than what Sombra did in the premiere or what Tirek did in season 4. Having three familiar villains, now working together and all three of them more powerful than before, that was something we’ve never seen before, and ultimately lead to one hell of an epic showdown as a result. Plus, the biggest issue I have with most MLP villains is that they only appear once or get too little screentime, and come across as underwhelming or underutilised as result. I mean, just think of the potential the Storm King, the Pony of Shadows or Nightmare Moon could have had if they had appeared in a major role more than once or at least been properly explored. The fact that they brought back so many familiar villains in the final season and did so much more with them was I think a far better decision then forgetting all about them and throwing in a bunch new bad guys out of the blue.
Though of course, if it was up to me, then I would have had the villains team up on their own rather than having them be summoned by Grogar…or alternatively have Grogar play a major role in the series before he gathers them. Generally though, I don’t like the idea of him being this kind of ‘ultimate villain’ that many have painted him out to be, mostly since the villains we got were just so much more fun than what little we saw of him…and because G1 Grogar was pretty much a bumbling Saturday-morning cartoon villain, who was both goofy and incredibly incompetent. I mean, for real, he was tricked by a kid using a tape recorder and left his bell (his one weakness) right in the open without a single locked door or any guards protecting it. If anyone’s an idiot, it’s Grogar.
Of course Grogar came out of nowhere! Tirek came out of nowhere too in Season 4! And unlike Grogar, he didn’t appear in the premiere of his respective season! (Season 4 for Tirek, Season 9 for Grogar)
And I mean, sure these three are great villains, but we’ve already had them before! (and one of them twice!) Grogar seemed so powerful that these three were genuinely terrified of him! He made me feel sorry for them! Then the writers wasted Doc Harris’s talent and had these three idiots to be the final villains.
Now, I wanted to like the finale. I really did. But everything in it was just so cringy for me that I found it impossible for me to like.
You’ll have to explain that one to me. Why the hell would is it better for a villain to have no established rivalry or personal history with the heroes when you’re doing the final battle for the series? I mean, we’ve built up Chrysalis’ revenge on Starlight Glimmer since season 6, Tirek blew up Twilight’s house, and Cozy Glow was seen at the end of season 8 with probably the biggest sequel hook in the show’s history, and now we’ve seen them come together, learn to work alongside each other, and establish a very fun and interesting dynamic…and you’re saying that we should throw all that away and have the blue goat guy who came the heck out of nowhere and was given barely any characterisation other than ‘I’m evil and powerful’ should have been the villain of the finale instead?
I’m not saying that Grogar couldn’t have been a great villain, but to me, he was introduced way too late and the villain trio very quickly overshadowed him in just about every department. If it was up to me, I would have had him be the main villain of a two-parter before the finale (maybe the season 7 premiere, given that it didn’t even have a villain) and then have him team up with other villains later on, but that’s just me.
“that personal connection”
That right there is the reason they shouldn’t be the final villains. And Grogar is not a bland villain. I think the finale would have been the perfect time to develop Grogar’s character. He’d definitely be more exciting with his bell on.
Yeah, though I doubt a fight with Grogar would be all that different from the fight with the powered up trio…except that he’d be a far less developed and bland villain with no personal connection with the heroes.
Yes, we would. A fight with Grogar. Okay, I respect your opinion on the series finale.
Eh, I still consider him my favourite character in the show, and to be honest, I found him to be way more likable in the series finale than he was in ‘A Matter of Principals’, since unlike that episode where he mostly just acted like a jerk because he felt left out, in the finale he not only had good (if slightly misguided) intentions, but he also realises that he made a mistake and wowed to make it up to them, even going so far as to risk his own life to do so. Plus, in a weird roundabout way, his plan did work, and if he didn’t do it, we wouldn’t have any villains or epic fight scenes in the final season, would we?