I am sorry, but I don’t understand. You’re not the OP, so any tags on this image aren’t about you, and I was talking to the two people most recently taking this thread off the rails - @Pause & @Infrayellow.
I didn’t even see your earlier comment until you asked about it.
So, I’m sorry, but I don’t know how to answer your question. If it’s important to you, please PM me.
@Pause
You know what, I’m done. This whole conversation is going nowhere. You aren’t changing my mind and I’m not changing yours so we’re just wasting each others time. I’m moving on, good day.
@Infrayellow
Twilight existed in every episode in the first season even when there was no reason for her to.
You didn’t need to have her there in every episode but she was forced in just so she could write a letter to Celestia. That is shoehorning a character in. Not your complaints of “Well new characters exist now so they’re shoehorned in because they get a couple episodes here and there”.
We’re not going to pull that subjective BS. Whenever people like you don’t like something in this show you must assume it’s because it must be bad writing. It couldn’t possible be that it just didn’t set well with you personally. It has to be bad writing. Get over yourselves.
And people like you WANT character progression but when you get realistic and decently done character progression like Fluttershy progression about being more assertive you complain about it. This sums up how you clearly don’t know what you want.
Just like here:
They were one dimensional in the first few episodes of the first season because you can only do so much with 6 characters in a 20 minute episode, so it takes time to flesh them out.
As if the episodes suddenly become longer as the series goes on. If anything it should be harder to make them one-dimensional as you’ve given them more character traits but have the same amount of time to do it. So it’s either new character traits out of nowhere which people complain about, or old ones and then hear about them retreading like you just were.
And I’ll keep repeating nostalgia because it’s what so many of you do. Pretend like the earlier seasons were so much better but I’d put so much money that if they were aired blindly nowadays so many of you would complain about the exact same crap you are now in those episodes.
@Pause
-Are we watching the same show? I dont recall twilight existing in everything in the early seasons except for the premieres and finales because well, she’s the MAIN character and not only that the other 5 weren’t entirely irrelevant. I couldnt even care less about twilight as a character, it’s less about her being present and more about letting the other characters shine.
-same can be said for art. “You dont consider taking a dump on a canvas as art because you dont like it”. Ever thought people have good reasons for not liking something? Yes, characters sometimes have to learn things more than once, but it gets boring, repetitive, and unoriginal when it’s done over and over again. I dont want to see Fluttershy learn how to stick up for herself for the 4th time already. They can learn that crap again off screen if they absolutely have to.
They were one dimensional in the first few episodes of the first season because you can only do so much with 6 characters in a 20 minute episode, so it takes time to flesh them out.
And stop with that dumb nostalgia buzzword. I can say the same thing where the only reason people like the later seasons is because they joined the fandom about 3 years ago and wouldn’t know any better.
Being the main character is NOT a reason to force the character to exist in everything. That’s how to go down the road of being a Mary Sue.
~~Ah yes. The “bad writing”. Most of the crap you guys complain about in terms of “bad writing” is translated into “I don’t like it and therefore it must be bad writing”.
Man, the character learns this over and over again. Maybe it’s because it’s something the character inherently struggles with. You know…like people in real life.
And the series did make them one dimensional in the earlier seasons. Stop being blinded by nostalgia.
@Pause
-Twilight was the main main character of the show. Of course there’s going to be a lot more emphasis on her. What’s so hard to understand? It’s not the same as adding new characters to the main cast near the end of the shows life.
-thats true, but it seems like an excuse for bad writing, especially when the same character learns the same thing for the 7th time, as if all those other episodes literally never happened.
-seems like another excuse for bad writing. That’s not “focusing on the flaws of those characters” when it’s done 90 percent of the time. The characters are treated like crap even in the episodes not about them. In the earlier seasons the show could focus on the character’s negative traits without them seeming one dimensional
-yeah, but just because it’s for kids does not excuse it for bad writing. I’m not saying this show about rainbow ponies has to be like some tryhard anime, just saying it could be better.
-meh, I guess, but you could also say MMDW was a good episode when people who have a basic understanding of what constitutes as a good episode would most likely disagree. But yeah, it’s very opinionated so my bad for including it
-thats why I said they’ve become MORE common in LATER seasons. They weren’t absent in early seasons because nothing is perfect, but some things are more perfect than others.
@Infrayellow
-That’s nothing like Spongebob being shoehorned into the first episode of the series named after him. If anything that’s a horrible counterargument.
Twilight didn’t need to be in every single episode of Season 1 but she was just so she could write the letters. Season 2 fixed that with Lesson Zero.
And let’s not get into the Season 3 premier or Season 4 finale.
-Except learning new things doesn’t always stick after literally once. That’s not how the majority of people in the world work. Learning generally happens through repetition until it sticks. And it sometimes takes a refresher course after a long period of time in which you don’t have that.
-It’s not flanderization. They’re focusing on a negative aspect of a character so the character can learn from it by the end of the episode. You know that thing you were complaining about in the last point about progression. But whenever this happens you get a bunch of people getting pissed off about the negative portrayal and then whine about it.
“assume”. That’s all I needed. And yes that is an accurate response to the criticism from a bunch of grown adults taking a children’s show way too seriously.
And now you’re just going “whatever” when someone calls out your blatant opinion.
Plot holes a heavy majority of the time is just people like you not paying attention or things not happening in a way you don’t like. And let’s not pretend this didn’t happen in the earlier seasons either.
For a show lasting nine seasons with over two hundred episodes, the errors in the storyline are often fairly minor compared to other shows that have lasted as long. Mostly forgetting a line of dialogue some character said once a long time ago or a visual detail (well, with the exception of the upcoming Daring Doubt episode anyway).
As for adding characters. This is a show with a massive world and that works for adding characters. This isn’t some small setting like shows where it is an issue.
@Pause
-really bad argument. Almost like saying spongebob was shoehorned into the first episode of spongebob squarepants.
-no, a character actually progressing by learning new things is called character development. It’s not progress if you’re progressing to the place we already are
-no it’s not, but exaggerating a character’s personality trait to the point of it being it’s only personality trait is flanderization (ie. Pinkie pie being reduced to nothing but a lolsorandumb idiot, rainbow regressing to a retarded c*nt, etc)
-thats true I guess, but refer to the next point
-simply by judging the quality of the episodes and how they treat the characters, its safe to assume they probably dont care. And a lot of their response to criticism on twitter seems to be “lol dude it’s just a kids show”
-whatever you say
-okay, what do you want me to call it then? Story inconsistencies? Lack of narrative logic? Plot contradictions? It’s a lot more common in these newer seasons because the idea well is running dry.
@Infrayellow
opinions passed off “facts”
-Characters getting screentime counts as shoehorned but forgets when actual shoehorning was Season 1 Twilight.
-Relearning things is called character progression and growth. That’s how it happens with real people in life.And complaining because characters learn something again after a 6~7 year gap is ridicoulous.
-A character being portrayed negatively is not flanderized.
So what if the original writers are gone. That doesn’t mean the quality went down. And the original direction is still there. Episodic slice of life episodes a heavy majority of the time.
Proof please? And not just “well that’s how I feel”.
Well let’s look at the facts:
-shamelessly adding new characters and trying to shoehorn them in at every opportunity fairly odd parents style
-characters having to relearn the same thing MULTIPLE times
-previous characters being flanderized to the point of unlikableness
-most if not all original writers gone, original direction lost forever (much like what happened to spongebob)
-current writers couln’t care less about the show
-more meh and bad episodes than good ones per season
-average episode holds more plot holes than this site’s explicit tag holds up flameshield
