Background Pony #2E7D
@Background Pony #6A08  
I honestly don’t have my hopes up that things will change if G5 will end up being worse than G4. Mostly because people who will be comparing it, will be comparing it to later seasons, not first ones. So it might be “G5 is worse then G4, but still better then first seasons”. And yeah, some people are getting pretty gross about wishing everything should crash and burn just because it’s not the way it was in 2012-2013. It’s a sad thing to see.
 
Ah, I didn’t noticed that it was you who posted about fanfiction. Well, for me it sounded like “anyone can write a fanfic, so it’s nothing special”. Which is, if this discussion is anything to go by, probably not what you ment, but this is how it looked like to me when I first read it. I guess the lesson of this thread is that people aren’t as extreme or negative as we thing they are when they are saying things and it’s easy to be caught up in a loop of perceiving things the way you expect them to be. It’s true that I sometimes assume that people are more negative then they really are, but… it’s a death by a thousand needles situations. It’s getting harder and harder to just be in this fandom with a positive opinion on Faust. As I’ve said, this thread was fairly tame, but even here, after staring long enough at what people are saying in a polite and respectful fashion, I’m starting to feel that I’m a crazy person or have no taste, because I like first seasons. Like there were nothing special about them and everything after was just better. But I don’t feel that way, I feel that there was something special about them that was lost in later ones, and I love that “something special”, but there’s less and less people who will agree with that, and more and more people who will dismiss the way I feel (even though, these are my feeling and I know how I felt). There are still people who agrees, but there are less and less of them, and the change is happening right before my eyes. I’m actually, no exaguration, feel more and more like an outcast as years go by. Like I have to explain myself everytime I say that I liked it more when Faust worked on the show. Like people who like first seasons aren’t fans of the show anymore or MLP in general, like they’re just fans of Faust and they should just exist in their own corner. And I’m not looking forward to the moment when it’ll stop being just a cruel play of my imagination after staring at comments for too long, because I fear that this moment is coming.
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@Background Pony #AFCC  
I think those people you’re talking about will get their answer when G5, or G6+, rolls by. If they like any future gen(s) more than G4, then yes, MLP is better without her as the foundation. But maybe they won’t, maybe they’ll hate it and we’ll see a rise of “We didn’t know how good we had it with Lauren” from those people. I hope it’s better, not to spite Lauren, but because I’d hope we’d all want quality to increase over time. But like you’ve seen people actively Faust flogging, I’ve seen people actively wish for G5 to be worse than G4 purely to spite Hasbro for meddling in G4.
 
My comment on G4 being fanfiction isn’t meant as a knock against Lauren, I’m not using fanfiction as a catch-all term for “stories I don’t like”.
 
@Cryosite  
@Background Human  
I think dipping into other franchises with this analogy is unnecessary when we already have it right here. Yes, Bonnie made the franchise and gave it its basic framework. There’s earth ponies, unicorns that do magic with their horns, pegasi, and they live in a magical world with other mythical creatures like dragons, the ponies have a mark on their flank that indicates an interest/talent, etc. But Bonnie pretty much wiped her hands clean of the franchise and Lauren got to expand on it, and Lauren’s show blew Bonnie’s out the water in terms of popularity (which doesn’t automatically = quality). Similarly to how G5 will take a few elements from previous gens and expanded on it, just like G4 did. Who’s knows, maybe it’ll be better. I don’t think it stands a chance in hell of reaching the impact G4 simply because “GROWN MEN ARE LIKING MLP?!?!?” isn’t as exciting a headline the second time around.
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@Cryosite  
Okay. You’re misreading this situation very hard. But that’s okay. Just to put the perspectives in the right places, in the first message I posted here I said, that I agree with the OP-image and I do think that by now the original bible and Lauren’s plans are irrelevant. Then at some point A8F6 came in and let out some steam, and yes, I actually feel for him, because I have encountered quite a bit of negativity towards Faust, sometimes really harsh one, and it sucks. And I wasn’t talking about this thread specifically (and A8F6 wasn’t either, I’m pretty sure, something just triggered him here), but rather about various things that I had an unpleasant experience reading/hearing, but hey, look what I found:  
Also I would point that the S1 is NOT the supreme perfection People claim to be. The pilot was rather weak ( and childish), Ticket Master is one of the most awful eps in the Series, Boast Busters was terrible too, Feeling Pinkie Keen and Over a Barrel were insulting, Stare Master and The Show Stoppers where terrible and annoying and A Bird in the Hoof Was disgusting. I can’t understand How the fuck People can pass over its evident flaws only because a woman that they consider “the goddess of writing” directed it (and little parenthesis: Lauren Faust is FAR from being the supreme goddess of writing people claim to be: Everyone Knows its Bendy, and The Little Peas from Foster’s Home. I won’t add anything else). The S1 is shittly overrated, the only season I find low as that one is the S6 (not counting the S3 due to many reasons in production back then, I think it’s not comparable to the others).
So, I’ll be brutally honest with you bronies: If you consider the S1 the supreme perfection, only because Lauren Faust directed it, YOU MUST GO TO FUCK YOURSELF. You’re nothing but IDIOTS.
Lauren Faust is also a fucking hypocrite…
G4 is a glorified fanfiction. Lauren liked making up stories for G1 (i.e. fanfiction), and eventually got to bring her stories to TV. G4 is Lauren’s modified G1 fanfiction.
Oh wow. [sarcasm intencifies] People, who are quite negative towards Lauren and her work? In this very thread? How could they possibly exist? Surely they can’t exist outside of it. [sarcasm stops intencifying]  
And you know, sometimes it’s hard to tell if person has any respect for Faust if all what they’re saying is negative.
 
And then sure, I went on a bit of a tangent, trying to explain what exact kind of negativity towards Faust really grinds my gears. It had nothing to do with this thread specidically, and I probably didn’t do a good enough job, because what you’re saying implies that you clearly didn’t get it. Maybe you didn’t read it? It’s okay. It’s a long thread. But back to business.
 
You are clearly looking at all that I’ve said in responce to A8F6 and after as if I’m saying it about this image or about specifically people in this thread and what they’ve said, but I don’t. And sure, maybe I should’ve been clear about it, but you know, it came out the way it is. As for this specific thread vast majority of the discussion here was alright. I don’t agree with a lot of it, but I can love and tolerate it. Dispite what you’re thinking of me. And as for “backpeddling”, you know, maybe I’m not backpeddling, but trying to explain misunderstandings that are happenind? Explain how I actually feel and who I actually count as a hater, instead of accepting whatever people are assuming of me. Cause that’s what I’m actually doing, belive it or not.
 
@Cryosite  
Anon# 6A08.
Then why single out those people here?:
You never answered this.
You do also, along with A8F6, come across as seeking some kind of authority/weight to your opinions for having joined the fandom in 2010-2011
There is a distinct tone that you actually are saying or at least implying the things people have questioned you on.
Oh, come on. You’re gonna be judging my tone based on text? Text is the least nuanced form of communication, you can misunderstand if a person is angry if they are phrasing themselves a bit weird.
 
The sense that anyone who says anything bad about Lauren is a hater
How many times I have to say, that I’m okay if people don’t like her or first seasons? I think it’s the fifth time I’m saying it here. How many more? I’ll do it.
 
Also, I’m not gonna lie, that it’s a little disheartening seeing the general consensus going from “season 1 is good, season 2 is great” to “season 1&2 are the worst/one of the worst”.
And I just have to roll my eyes.
Yeah? So you just gonna roll your eyes at my pain that I’ve decided to share with the world? Okay. Cool, cool. And yes, if you’re to say that seasons1&2 are one of the worst of G4, you are one of the people who I was talking about. People who are creating current consensys that saddens me… and… what of it? I should congratilate you that you’ve figure it out or something? Or you think that because you’re “one of them” I automatically hate you or pin you as a “Faust hater”? I don’t. I’m a bit sad about it, because this consensys saddens me. But I don’t.
 
Does that clarify anything for you?
A lot.
 
P.S.: And if you would like to break down this comment of mine looking for “hidden tones” and “implied weights” or whatever, I’m gonna be upfront. I’m very tired right now. I decided to write this before going to bed and halfway through understood that it was a wrong decision. So, you know, sometimes a tone of a voice is just a sore throat. Sometimes a tone of a message is just a tired person on the other end.
Cryosite
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@Background Pony #AFCC  
Well, allow me to point to a few quotes:
 
Anon #A8F6.  
Why the fuck did I have to read these comments? Why??
It’s times like these when I’m utterly disgusted with the fandom. And not just because of the people here, but because the Faust-bashing became so commonplace in the fandom overall, that I’m not even surprised anymore.
I know most of these are totally different people from those that came into the fandom in 2011-12, but still, I feel only anger and disappointment when I see things like this. I promised myself I will let these things go, and just not respond, but I just can’t. It’s just too saddening
Ebin trole though, you don’t even take up your name huh?
 
Then you.  
I feel you man.
(I’m here since late 2011).
 
This sets the tone of your participation in the conversation. You have some very obviously angry anon that misrepresents the conversation so far, and labels those participating in it as haters. You show sympathy and support for that position. Is it a stretch to assume that based on this, you agree rather than condemn this?
 
You appear to be merely backpeddling at this point. Because you keep insisting we talk about people who are clearly not present within this conversation. Hypothetical “haters” that you claim experience with, but we have no real examples of. I’ve never encountered someone who says they hate Lauren Faust, or anything in the ballpark of what you’ce claimed this group of people says. I am so confident in my opinion that these people are made up that I’m willing to say contrary things like, “All of us acknowledge Lauren Faust’s contributions.”
 
I, and others in this conversation have remained respectful of Lauren as a person and her contributions. We’re talking about those parts we feel she did poorly. We are talking about the fact that she isn’t perfect, not that she’s a bad perosn or made only mistakes. Y’know, criticism.
 
Perhaps you and A8F6 misunderstand the OP’s image. The focus, at least for me, is not that Starlight is slapping the book away as some hatred towards Lauren Faust. She’s slapping it away because Twilight is pulling it out as if it meant something. As the conversation has been against the sort of person who, in a discussion about the show, would bring up Word of Faust/God/Original Show Bible/S1&2-only sorts of folks. Criticism of post-S2 episodes on their own merit is one set of opinions, and criticism of them on the basis of Faust’s lack of direction on them is another. We’re discussing sentiment against those who hold that latter opinion.
 
A8F6, and you in your sympathy with him/her/it implies that we’re all in that group you’re bringing up.
 
Anon# 6A08.  
Then why single out those people here?:
 
You never answered this. What does this group of people you’re so focused on have to do with this discussion? Other than A8F6’s mistaken and ignored assertion that they’re present in full-force in this comment section simply because he disagrees with what we’re saying.
 
So, overall, yes. There is a distinct tone that you actually are saying or at least implying the things people have questioned you on. The sense that anyone who says anything bad about Lauren is a hater, and that those of us discussing her contributions critically are in fact haters. Despite your backpeddling.
 
You do also, along with A8F6, come across as seeking some kind of authority/weight to your opinions for having joined the fandom in 2010-2011. As someone who was watching ponies back in G1 over thirty years ago, I honestly don’t see what value your start date has. At all. You make statements like:  
Also, I’m not gonna lie, that it’s a little disheartening seeing the general consensus going from “season 1 is good, season 2 is great” to “season 1&2 are the worst/one of the worst”.
 
And I just have to roll my eyes. You’re focused on a scale from S1 to present, whereas some of us are looking at a scale from G1 to present. S1 was better than G3, in my opinion, but it wasn’t as good as S2, which wasn’t as good as S3, and so on. If we do only look at G4’s seasons, then I feel like there is an upwards trend from S1 to S7, with only S8 so far breaking that trend. Does this mean I fit you description of someone saying S1&2 are the worse?” Yup. But I don’t see it that way, because I see G3 as the worst, and S1&2 is better than G1&2, but not as good as G4’s S3+. Debatable if S8 is better or worse than S1 or S2 so far.
 
Anyway. There exists a group of people who will take this kind of discussion, and insist that Lauren Faust’s original intent is better, and should have been the guiding force over G4. That G4 is terrible since she left, and will wave that metaphorical original pitch bible around as if that was some kind of argument. The OP’s image puts Twilight Sparkle in that role, with Starlight slapping the book away to symbolically express disdain for that sort of behavior.
 
Do “Lauren Haters” exist? I can only take your word for it. But I don’t think anyone here is one, or appreciations the implication we are them. I for one am simply not interested in discussing them either. If they exist, they’re bad people too. Not worth devoting energy to.
 
Does that clarify anything for you?
Background Pony #2E7D
@Cryosite  
You’ve lost me here at some point… what were you trying to say?
Cryosite
Wallet After Summer Sale -
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I'm Kind of a Big Deal
@Background Pony #AFCC  
As someone else already pointed out, “here from the beginning?” I was watching ponies as a little girl over thirty years ago.
 
Things getting better over time does in fact imply that the first one or two season of G4 are the worst, yes. Though S1 being better than G3 removes that implication. So… yay, people have opinions? Some people don’t like the opinions other people have?
Background Pony #2E7D
@Cryosite  
Also, I’m not gonna lie, that it’s a little disheartening seeing the general consensus going from “season 1 is good, season 2 is great” to “season 1&2 are the worst/one of the worst”. Since more and more people who were here from the begining are moving on, and people who joined later don’t seem to care much for first two seasons. It’s a little sad, not gonna lie.
Background Pony #2E7D
@Cryosite  
Well, what you’re saying is the core of the problem with “Faust based” discussions. Because everyone assumes that person who they are talking to is jumping into the extremes or super sensetive on the subject. “The notion that Lauren Faust’s bits are inherently better because it is Lauren Faust or that it is her creation” it’s not at all what I’m talking about. I don’t mind that people don’t like first seasons or episodes Faust wrote, or whatever. They can dislike it all they want. And I agree that later seasons in some respects are better then first ones, and a lot of the best episodes came from them. But when you say “we all acknowledge”, I’m not sure that’s true. I’m sure you acknowledge (cause you’ve literally said it), but I’m not really talking about people like you. It’s people who are taking the idea “except they did remove Lauren Faust from the show, and it has improved” to the extreme of “she never should’ve worked on the show”, like if somehow magically the show would’ve existed and would’ve been the same show but better.
 
And I know that for every hater that I’m talking about there’s a Faust worshipper that you’re talking about, and I’m not really one of them actually. I’m cool if someone wants to critique her work (I like it, but to each their own), it’s the blatant disregard for all and any work she’s done is what gets me.
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@Cryosite  
Or Gene Roddenberry, or George Lucas, or any iconic creator over the years. We owe them a debt of gratitude for the initial idea, but only by assembling a talented team and trusting that team’s judgment were they able to create something that would stand the test of time.
 
Huh. Sounds like an old-school friendship lesson.
Cryosite
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I'm Kind of a Big Deal
@Background Pony #AFCC  
Except they did remove Lauren Faust from the show, and it has improved.
 
I think you’re assigning “hate” to people who don’t hate. You’re assinging much more intent or value to things because of your bias, rather than accepting that other people really, really do have differing but nuanced opinions of their own.
 
It’s a lot like Magic: the Gathering. Richard Garfield is a terrible set designer, even though he invented the game and the entire CCG genre. His game would have flopped and died to be replaced by a different “best” CCG had he continued to design cards/sets regularly. Instead, he hired someone who could take his idea and go much better with it by bringing on Mark Rosewater as lead designer. MtG has flourished since and lasted for decades now.
 
We all acknowledge that Lauren Faust had good ideas and was very influential on this reboot. But we can easily envision that had Lauren stayed on board, the show could very easily wind up worse than it currently is. We don’t want to remove the good bits. We can point to the flaws in the old bits as we can the new bits. We can voice opinions on which bits we like and which we dislike. But the notion that Lauren Faust’s bits are inherently better because it is Lauren Faust or that it is her creation are all nonsense. Your fundamental premise is simply flawed.
Background Pony #2E7D
@Background Pony #6A08  
Well, what I count as “hating on her” is saying things like “Faust didn’t do anything important”, “it’s good she’s gone”, “first seasons were so bland because of her”. It might seem like I’m exaggerating, but that’s the comments I’ve seen (and heard). Sure, a lot of people who dislike her don’t go as far. But the main part that gets me is that it seems like they are approaching her the same way they would approach any other staff member on the show. Like, someone doesn’t like Polsky - remove Polsky from the show and all things they don’t like will go away. But that doesn’t apply to Faust, cause if you remove her, you’re removing the show. Who knows if Hasbro would’ve even made a new MLP show, given G3 and 3.5. They’ve asked her to look into making a new MLP show after she came to them to make a toy line and a show aimed at girls to support it. But some people are acting like she was the bad apple that made the show worse. Like it was always destined for this show to exist and it would’ve been better if she wasn’t working on it.  
That kind of attitude is what I call “hating on Faust”.
 
Sure, let’s keep going. I’m not in a rush.
Background Pony #E0A7
@Background Pony #AFCC  
Then we might be getting into the ambiguity of what counts as actively hating on her. You mentioned some of her contributions that would be different without her over here:  
different art style, different characters, possibly not even an ensemble cast of six of them as leads, different world, different setting, different tone, different pretty much everything.
 
I guess I’ll briefly go through my views of some of these.  
Art style: Appealing  
Characters: Decent  
World & Setting: I think I’ve made my views on these clear already.  
Tone: Appropriate given the target demo. Still a bit patronizing at times.  
Pretty much everything: I give the overall show a 6/10. I’ll clarify here that unlike a lot of the internet 5/10 is my average, not 7/10, so 6/10 is good.  
Maybe those views, and me disagreeing that under someone else’s command with a totally different show it wouldn’t be as good(G5 will mostly be this, can’t say if it’s as good now of course), counts as actively hating on her. That’d be up to you.
 
I won’t see your reply to this for several hours because it’s getting late where I am, but I’m happy to keep the conversation going tomorrow if you are. Despite the fact our views would struggle to be much more different if we tried, I’ve liked the chat so far.
Copper Knight

@Background Pony #AFCC  
A lot of the character development of the first couple seasons are more along the lines of character exploration - showing off different facets to pre-existing parts of their personalities. There is progression of their characters but they are in fact minimal. It doesn’t really feel like the characters grew much closer than they already were after the pilot besides some things here and there. The CMCs become friends and stagnate for the until one episode in season 3 before season 4 and 5 really put in more effort towards them.
 
Most of the episodes are good but the characters don’t really start breaking their mold a bit until season 3 and 4. There’s some things - like Rainbow actually ending up like reading - but they are never really explained until further seasons. I don’t think that aspect was really explored again until season 4.
 
Which is another problem - introducing concepts but having no follow up. Not even visual gags.
 
Again, I recognize there is some character development throughout but I just don’t think Lauren would have been willing to go beyond the first arcs of the character. She was very strict upon herself for keeping everything lined up as she initially saw it from the bits and pieces I’ve seen. I don’t think the CMC would have received their cutie marks in season 5 (and her initial idea makes them look stupid to be honest). I think they would have kept hawing around it until the end of the series. Same with Twilight being Celestia’s “successor” as she visiualized, Rarity’s boutique in Canterlot, and Rainbow becoming a Wonderbolt.
 
I think the friendship letters would still be going on.
 
MLP has survived this long because of constant evolution - big changes in the status quo. I just don’t have the faith in Faust to do it. Not going by other shows she’s involved in.
Background Pony #2E7D
@Background Pony #6A08  
But there’s a difference. If it was just “some people think she’s a bad writer”, then sure. No problem. But she isn’t just a writer on a show. She is the creator. So, people who are in the fandom of the show she created are actively hating on her. Even though without her, the show that they are fans of, wouldn’t have existed. That what confuses me.
Background Pony #E0A7
Well what is then? What is the factor? Why is Faust hate happening?
 
They don’t think Faust is a good writer, it’s that simple. Same reason some hate on other writers. All the writers have people that don’t like a lot of their work, Faust’s no different. It’s same as asking “Why is McCarthy/Merriweather/Polsky/or more recently Haber/etc. hate happening?”.
Background Pony #2E7D
@Background Pony #6A08  
I was “singling out” those people who joined later, because I was trying to wrap my head around why the Faust hate is happening. People who were here from the begining usually respect her, might not love, but at least respect for what she did. So maybe the moment when a person joined might have something to do with it. Maybe. I don’t know.
 
@Background Pony #6A08  
You mention the only explanation you can think of is:
“they go to earlier seasons and it’s simpler and more tame in a lot of respects, they automatically think it’s worse, thereof Faust is worse at making this show then the current team”.
That can’t be the only explanation, because I didn’t go to earlier seasons seeing as there were no earlier seasons, there was just the current season, and I don’t think simpler and tamer automatically makes something worse. Another explanation is that they/I just don’t think it’s all it’s cracked up to be, and seeing tamer/simpler content in earlier seasons compared to later ones isn’t a factor.
Well what is then? What is the factor? Why is Faust hate happening? That’s what I’m trying to get. I’m not trying to insult anyone (maybe that other guy was trying, he was angry), but I’m just confused and, yes, that’s the only explanaition I’ve came up with. If it’s not the right one - I’m sorry, that’s the only one I’ve got. If there’s another explanation - please, do tell.
Background Pony #E0A7
@Background Pony #AFCC  
Then why single out those people here?:  
I know most of these are totally different people from those that came into the fandom in 2011-12
 
You mention the only explanation you can think of is:  
“they go to earlier seasons and it’s simpler and more tame in a lot of respects, they automatically think it’s worse, thereof Faust is worse at making this show then the current team”.
 
That can’t be the only explanation, because I didn’t go to earlier seasons seeing as there were no earlier seasons, there was just the current season, and I don’t think simpler and tamer automatically makes something worse. Another explanation is that they/I just don’t think it’s all it’s cracked up to be, and seeing tamer/simpler content in earlier seasons compared to later ones isn’t a factor.
Background Pony #2E7D
@Background Pony #AFCC
There is also good stuff in her development but there are actually ISN’T a lot of character development in the first two seasons.
I want to preface this comment by saying, it might seem like I’m coming of a little strong or maybe angry. I’m not. I’m just a little exsited, cause I’m actually really into this discussion. So, with that in mind…
 
Emmm… I’m now quite curious what do you think “character development” is. Because from my understanding this entire show is pretty much built to be a show about character development. In first seasons we either learn something new about the character (“passive” character development, where the character itself doesn’t change, but rather shows a new side of itself), or they learn to act in a different way then before (“active” character development). That’s almost every other episode. Sure, there are no big character arcs and changes to the behaviour aren’t big and swooping but rather incremental, but that’s character development either way.
 
I would actually say that in season 6-onwards we don’t have much character development outside of Starlight, because for the main six there were already so much of it throughout the show that writers don’t know what to do with them or don’t want to repeat themselves. Instead we get a lot of character focused episodes with Starlight Glimmer, cause she’s a new character that writer are now incrementally developing.
 
And what kind of miracle-esque character development started happening from season 4 onwards that wasn’t there before? Outside of big and obvious “Twilight is an alicorn/princess now”, “Starlight is now reformed and learns from Twilight” and stuff. Or do you mean those kind of developments and everything that’s smaller you just don’t count as a character development?
Background Pony #2E7D
@Background Pony #A8F6
@Background Pony #AFCC
Where does this idea, that if you didn’t start with the show in 2010-2011 your view has less weight, come from?
I don’t think either of us have said that during this conversation.
Background Pony #2E7D
People watch entertainment to be entertained.
It’s weird, I know. But what I ment is that, in pure entertainment value later season has outdone the first ones. But first has the charm of their own that could be lost on people who expect them to be like the later ones.
 
And as to “what Faust intended” and what not. Sure there are people who go too far with this whole thing (there were a lot more of them in the past), but that’s not exactly what I’m talking about. I’m talking about people who “first seasons aren’t as good, ergo, Faust was bad director/writer/ect, good thing she’s gone now”. Like, that’s an extreme that I see quite a lot lately. And that’s what I was talking about.
Background Pony #E0A7
@Background Pony #A8F6  
@Background Pony #AFCC  
Where does this idea, that if you didn’t start with the show in 2010-2011 your view has less weight, come from? I started watching in the 2011 summer haitus between season 1 and 2, and it doesn’t automatically mean I must have some nostalgic admiration for the first season I watched.  
Would this same logic apply to starting with G4 and going back and watching G1-G3? If you went back to those shows after watching G4 first, could the people that watched those at release be allowed to give less weight to the opinions of G4-starters in the same way:  
“Well, obviously you’d think generation 4 is better, it’s first one you watched. You wouldn’t appreciate generation 1 like we oldfags do having seen it first.”  
^ Take that comment, and simply replace “generation” with “season”. It’s the same mentality.
 
If the people that aren’t super keen on season 1 are Faust bashing, are the people that aren’t super keen on generation 1 Bonnie (Zacherle) bashing? Because there sure is a lot of that in the G4 fandom.  
Bonnie bashing has a nicer ring to it too. Can we change Faust bashing to Faust flogging? Same meaning, just rolls off the tongue better.
Copper Knight

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No, but a lot of her ideas work for early character development but either she would have to go closer to current route it took anyway or she would fall into stagnation. Such as her belief that Scootaloo shouldn’t have Rainbow as an honorary sister.
 
There is also good stuff in her development but there are actually ISN’T a lot of character development in the first two seasons. Most of the character development went to Twilight, and everybody else’s didn’t really start sticking until season four when the show was revised and they became much more willing to change the status quo and move the story forward.
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a lot of people who got into the show late got into it for it’s entertainment value
 
… yes? People watch entertainment to be entertained.
 
Regardless, the issue here isn’t Lauren itself, and I haven’t seen a great deal of negativity aimed at her specifically. The reason the “what Faust intended” rhetoric is unpopular is because of certain vocal segments of the fandom who insist that Faust’s original plans need to be followed verbatim even though she stopped working on the show years ago, that the seasons that Faust hasn’t worked on are inherently of lower quality because she didn’t impact them directly and that new developments need to match the original pitch bible of get Faust’s approval – and who because of that keep pestering her for opinions and approval of a show she’s made it clear she’s distanced herself from.
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A lot of her characterization only works for the beginning of the show, and would prevent really good character development if left up to her.
Are you implying that there were no good character development in first two seasons? Really?
 
I mean, I never said that Lauren Faust is a perfect human being or director or whatever (I think I made it pretty clear in this thread), but I don’t think that character development, of all thing, is the right one to fault her for.
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I feel you man.  
(I’m here since late 2011).
 
It doesn’t anger me, but I would say, it confuses me a bit. The only explanaition I can think of (not that it fixes anything) is that a lot of people who got into the show late got into it for it’s entertainment value, and when they go to earlier seasons and it’s simplier and more tame in a lot of respects, they automatically think it’s worse, thereof Faust is worse at making this show then the current team. Which is a logical path I can understand, but it also requires to ignore completely the fact that making a new show from zero is a completely different process then continuing it, and the whole reason the show is good is because the foundation of it is great. As I said earlier, if Faust wasn’t the one making it, it would be a completely different show, and my money on that it would be worse.
 
What gives me a bit of good feels in this storm of negativity towards Lauren is that the staff members themselves love her and recognise that she have done something special here. And they aren’t just being polite. Lauren inspired them. She created a world and characters that they love writing, animating and so on. Her goal of creating a great show aimed at girls is something that they are still pursuing. They are working their butts off to make this the best show they can, because it’s the show they love to work on. You’re not gonna make a great show if you don’t have a passion for it. And the fact that they are sometimes outdoing her is for me only a prove of their passion. The passion that wouldn’t have existed without Lauren Faust.