Roc’s an SJW

Removing the transphobia-related tags, as being transgender has nothing to do with whether more than two genders exist, and furthermore one of the tags has 0 uses outside of this image. Requesting, though I am not a mod, that these not be reapplied.

@Zendigo  
@DrCoolcabbage  
That’s a very different topic that just happens to have term collisions. “Gender non-conforming” doesn’t mean trans.

@Zendigo  
This. Every trans person I’ve met wants to be seen as their transitioned identity. If you were a man and transitioned to a woman, you generally want to be seen as a woman, not as some strange new gender. That kind of defeats the point.
 
And yeah, obviously that’s not true 100% of the time, but that’s true of literally anything related to human behavior. There’s always exceptions, but in the vast majority of cases - to my knowledge, at least - that’s the case.

@Zendigo  

I don’t think most people disagree?
 
I mean, even transgender people transition to one of the two existing genders, so trans people are still within the accepted gender dichotomy. Nonbinary identities aren’t really a third gender, so much as a lack of gender identity, I’d say. So even though I’ll respect someone who wishes to be called them/they, to me that’s more like abstaining from gender identity than truly adopting an all-new one.
 
tl;dr - I think you can support and be respectful to transgender and/or nonbinary people while still adhering to there only being two genders. These concepts aren’t mutually-exclusive.

How can anyone be triggered by a scientific and biological facts?

@DrCoolcabbage  
You’re directing this to the wrong person, and you’re not wrong. I only try to explain why people use the word gender as something other than biological sex.
 
You’re right, the current trend of 12 or however many make believe genders is dumb and just a childish way for people to feel special and belong to their special clubs. But, the step beyond, of getting things to the point that society as a whole gets that there’re people that don’t conform to the gender stereotypes assigned to their sex is something that would be good; like it or not, there ARE a lot of people incapable of accepting “unmanly” men or assertive women; don’t you remember the early fandom, the constant ridicule, the insults, the notable personalities commenting that there must be something “wrong” with us?
 
This may not be the best way to reach that point, and not the way I’d go about it from the comfort of my home and no real bones in the matter, but it’s a way. The pushback of blindly mocking it without the faintest hint of trying to understand why it exists only galvanizes people, and honestly a lot of it comes from a childish desire to offend. I’d just like it if people were capable of discussing topics like this and gain some undetstanding of the matter rather than go straight to shitposts, memes, and internet “hah! you showed those weirdoes up good!” high-fives”.

@The Smiling Pony  
Okay, where do we start here?
 
First, “The entire point is for someone to be able to say “I have a vagina” without the immediate write-in of their character being “I have a vagina, thus I like the colour pink, pretty dresses, read gossip magazines, and will faint if I chip a nail”.” Who still thinks like this? Who beyond your average kindergartner is so narrow-minded that the idea that a boy might like pink or a girl likes sports is just absolute anathema to them? 50-60 years ago, sure, you might have a point, but this is an attitude that is rapidly dying out. Being able to see people beyond just some little box of a stereotype is a sign of maturity, is it not? Hell, this fandom is an excellent example of that. A whole lot of grown men who gasp enjoy pretty ponies meant for little girls? I mean by your own example, bronies are a gender, for is that not an “irregular representation of male[s]?”
 
“The point isn’t to have #x archetyped genders, it’s for people to come to realize the concept is meaningless and each person is as they are. Currently, a lot of people want to do that by muddying the waters with new gender terms, because for better or worse people like labeling things.” I see what you’re saying, but all this is doing is just widening the very problem you say you’re against, that being gender stereotypes. Essentially you’ve gone from “you can only stay in one of these two boxes and never ever leave or be different” to “you can only stay in one of these thirty boxes and never ever leave or be different.” _“Here’s the thing: you know tomboys? And femboys? And Traps? And butchs? And so many more “irregular” representations of male/female? The whole idea is to treat those as gender, irrespective of sexual orientation.”_Essentially, gender has turned into highschool cliques then. The whole “muddying the waters” thing? You’re basically trying to create unity by wedging more divisions into people. making them more and more tribalistic.
 
TL;DR You’re fighting against gender stereotyping by making more gender stereotypes.

@Chuy Ryu  
I’m with you.

I dont see the problem

It’s what I believe; people who think there are more than two should get help. Just saying. Or just stay in your own little bubbles and away from me; I don’t care.

@Backgroundpony  
I don’t know, but if is there I don’t think it would be used that much.

@100SGX  
I think it failed in that regard.
 
Is there a like tag “OP tried to to start shit but failed”

@Backgroundpony  
But why here and not a thread where everybody takes everybody’s opinion seriously. This image was created to either create drama or is just a meme.

@100SGX  
You are surprised that a few people can have a talk about a subject?

You guys surprise me, I literally I saw this comment section empty like a hour or two ago.

@The Smiling Pony  
A well studied person I see.
 
All I can say is that gender and sex is the same in my language and I never met a person that used it differently then the physical sense.  
I take that as a “we are already there, where you want to get” thing then.

@Backgroundpony  
I didn’t have “a” teacher. I learned spanish from my parents, and english on my own when I was 3. I learned (ancient) greek at highschool, and then latin, taken further during university. Which I did in Spain and the UK, in two different languages. Oh, and I did middle school in Turkey, forgot that part. Currently, I work in Germany, but am not really fluent.
 
The years when I was taught philosophy, the value of a person, I was in a strict catholic school, taught by nuns and priests. And they taught me about evolution, about the big bang, and they taught me that a person is more than just a sum of their physical parts.
 
I never put much thought into the matter, because for me it always seemed natural. It is for me a simple concept to understand that the use of “gender” has been traditionally used for a binary split between “has penis = manly man of action” and “has vagina = girly delicate emotional flower”, and that that is wrong. People are all individuals, and their biological sex should not serve to make assumptions or define who a person actually is.
 
And that is what it’s about, getting people to understand that “gender” is a term used for society’s perception of a person, not what’s in their pants. Society is changing, in many aspects I believe for the better (a simple example is boys can watch MLP and girls can play sports) and terms should change and adapt as well. No one is saying your penis magically turns into a fairy otherworld, just that maybe people shouldn’t equate “has penis” to “likes sportsball, else defective”.

@Backgroundpony  
Fuck if I know. By all accounts it really doesn’t make any sense

@The Smiling Pony  
But you can understand that for not english speaking people with languages that don´t differentiate between gender and sex this whole concept of more then 2 genders makes no sense, right?
 
Else I have to question if your teacher prepared you for a world with diverse “school of thoughts” or just for a single minded community.

@Background Pony #8F48  
Not a english speaker. I am german.
 
I could explain you how “geil” came from meaning “good grown plant” to something sexual and then to a slang for “great”

@Backgroundpony  
The point isn’t to have #x archetyped genders, it’s for people to come to realize the concept is meaningless and each person is as they are. Currently, a lot of people want to do that by muddying the waters with new gender terms, because for better or worse people like labeling things.
 
This has nothing to do with when a doctor asks you what sex you are for a medical checkup, it has to do with getting to a point where a boy can watch a cartoon like My Little Pony and not have people question their “masculinity”.

@Backgroundpony  
Plus words like gay were originally used to express happiness and now it is used for sexual representation. How the hell does THAT work?

@The Smiling Pony  
“Language is not set in stone” I agree on that, but if people can no longer use the words of a language that others can understand them. Then language does no longer exist.
 
To create X-new gender because you don´t like genderstereotyps seems backwards  
2gender 2genderstereo types bad  
12gender 12genderstereotypes ?good?  
36gender 36genderstereotypes ?better?
 
Why did your teacher not taught you to ignore the stereotypes to begin with?