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I do get it. I just want to be clear that headcanon ≠ canon. Wasn’t making a dick competition out of anything, either. I ship this as much as anyone else does. LGBT is also underrepresented, I completely agree. Hasbro will never acknowledge it, either, and I also know that.

I want to be clear that I agree with you. But I also know that headcanon is not canon and I’m not trying to force it. I’m telling others not to.
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FUCK YEAH!!!! GIVE THIS GUY A TROPHY!!! OMG THAT’S THE LOGIC I LIKE^^ faith restored!
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I don’t think Lauren knew they even existed until the fans ran away with them, by which time she was getting ready to leave.


Nice pure assumption without any insight of how the staff worked back then. Oh, don’t look at me. Neither am I. But I think that your statement is based on solid ground. And by the way, the ship started with season 1 "Swarm of the Century" and I’m pretty sure Lauren Faust was aware of it. If I ever have the honor to meet her, I will ask her politely. Then we both are sure. :-)

Just because you wouldn’t do these things with a friend doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.


Because you do these things doesn’t mean that it count for this ship. Wink, wink. (^_-) Ironically you suggest as much because of your own experience like I do. So you know your best friends for 23 years. I know my best female friend for 28 and my best male friends for 22 years. So what? Did I win!? Duh… Really don’t make some kind of dick contest out of this… That’s awkward.

But nobody on staff has ever confirmed that Lyra and Bon Bon are a legitimate couple in their view


Neither someone deny that they are a legitimate couple. :-D You see, this kind of logic works in both ways. So it’s pointless.

saying "we all know what’s really going on here" and taking it upon yourself to countermand established canon (barely there as it may be) to write it the way you want to see it.


You really should stop to put words into somebody’s mouth. I didn’t said that and if someone said this before to you, well, maybe you should go and tell this person your opinion. And not me.

I would accept it if someone, anyone involved with the show acknowledged it.


So, you’re someone who needs confirmation to belief in things? What next? Should I proof you that god exists? Or not exists? Aren’t you able to cheerish something and accept the fact that other people don’t see it your way until some higher authority come and says: THIS IS CANON! :-D

Seriously, the problem is not the fact if or if not LyraBon is canon or not. The problem is, that there will be not confirmation from Hasbro, because it could damage the trademark. LTGB couples aren’t common as they should be. Not in a kids show. As I said before in this thread, I wish it would be different. But it’s not. And I highly doubt that Hasbro will make it canon before G4 ends. Actually I doubt that they ever will. But I don’t have a problem with that, because as long as there isn’t a "No!" there is still room for this headcanon. And the ship can sail further on. I don’t need some confirmation as long as there is no negation. Only my personal humble opinion. With the same legitimacy as your wish for confirmation. Just don’t get bitter because you don’t get it. ;-)
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First off, I don’t think Lauren knew they even existed until the fans ran away with them, by which time she was getting ready to leave. Lyra and Bon Bon were created as background filler characters by the animation team, not Lauren. They didn’t even have personalities until season 5, well after she’d left. The ship might be old, but it literally began in the fandom because the animators frequently paired them in scenes. It’s been admitted that this had nothing to do with them being a couple. It was expressly because their colors contrast nicely. They could have been anyone else.

Second, I used the term Word of God in the context of "the people in charge of the MLP world" of which Lauren hasn’t been for many, many years. And I assure you, a disturbing number of people call her mom. I don’t, I think it’s creepy. I respect her work in creating MLP: FiM, but using that particular term veers into the uncomfortable in my opinion.

Lastly, I’ve known my best friend for about 23 years. We’re very close, have been for a long time. I don’t particularly care what you’ve done with your friends or that you wouldn’t go to Vegas and give them bedroom eyes. I have no problem with looking at my best friend and telling them, honestly, that I love them, I think they look great in an outfit, giving them gifts and generally appreciating them. We also sometimes argue like a married couple because we know how to get on each other’s nerves. Deliberate ship teasing is not confirmation. Just because you wouldn’t do these things with a friend doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

I’m not being cocky, I’m being a realist. The VA’s and the crew at DHX are very aware that the fandom ships these two. The ship teasing has been deliberate for five years now and they’re running with it. But nobody on staff has ever confirmed that Lyra and Bon Bon are a legitimate couple in their view. Not Ashleigh Ball or Andrea Libman, the people who voiced them. Not Jim Miller, the man in charge at the studio. Not the writers, who are at least partially responsible for the ship teasing. Nobody at Hasbro, the people who own the characters. Not even Gameloft or IDW have hinted at it.

I think they’re an utterly adorable couple. But there’s a difference between saying "we all know what’s really going on here" and taking it upon yourself to countermand established canon (barely there as it may be) to write it the way you want to see it. I would accept it if someone, anyone involved with the show acknowledged it. But nobody has, even just to say something like "I think they make really good friends." Or something lame like that.
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First of all, this ship is as old as Lauren Faust introduced these characters to the audience/fandom. And I’m pretty sure she had her ideas for these two as she had for the rest of the show. Too sad we’ll never know.

Second, I call her goddess because you used the name of the lord first. So its just a tit-for-tat response. To reply it with mom or mommy or whatever let me think that you have some issues with her. Spare me that, please.

Last but not least: The "I do this with my own best friend" card is so banal and boring, I literally don’t care. You don’t want to know what I have done with my best friends. But never I would go with one of them on a single vacation trip to Las Vegas, say "best" friend with a seductive voice and bed-room-eyes and so on…

Listen, I don’t want to be offensive, and if you don’t like others to ship them more than you do, okay, fine, I’ve got this. But you shouldn’t be so cocky. That was the reason I allowed myself for a little joke in the first place. Please just loosen up and smile. That’s all I want to say. ;-)
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Except Lauren was long, long gone by the time these two were anything more than setpieces, and I’m pretty sure she finds it super disturbing that people keep calling her "goddess" and "mom". Slice of Life merely confirmed them to be very close friends, who sometimes DO act like a couple IRL. I know this because my best friend and I have been mistaken for a couple on several occasions.
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I’m not disagreeing, nor am I decreeing what is and is not canon. I’m a LyraBon shipper myself and even I can admit there’s a difference between ship teasing and a canon relationship.
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People are just pointing out that your logic is flawed flawless. Until Word of God Goddess Lauren Faust says otherwise, canon has them as "best" friends. (Insert Slice of Life sound here) End of story Add fuel to the fire.


Sorry, just had to correct that. ;-D
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But you don’t get to decide what is and is not canon

Neither do you.
And it is as canon as it can be.
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Why does it have to be a romantic relationship? Just because you have shipping goggles on your face and want to insist it is? Because MLP "needs" an LGBTQ relationship in it to stay relevant because it’s 2018 #currentyearargument?

It’s left ambiguous for a reason. Don’t force a relationship that may or may not exist just because you want it to be real. Nobody is denying anything here. People are just pointing out that your logic is flawed. Until Word of God says otherwise, canon has them as friends. End of story.

You don’t have to like it. You sound plenty salty about it, in fact. But you don’t get to decide what is and is not canon.
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You will never get the people who deny this as a romantic ship to see otherwise, unless they actually kiss onscreen, but even then they will say stuff like "girls kiss each other on the lips all the time, it’s just a friendship thing girls do".
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The CMC gave a gift to Cheerilee on this dsy. I don’t think thef’re romantically involved with her though.
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There is truth here. Many women exchange gifts and such on Valentine’s in a platonic manner with Male and female friends.

Less then 5% of women identify themselves as gay. A large % of the non gay population would react… poorly to a homosexual come on.
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Next time we’ll see something related to Sweetie Belle’s declaration that Apple Bloom and Scootaloo are her special ponies in the face of romantically inclined holiday (and lack of stallions after her).
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OP has never seen real girls in action. They hug each other, exchange gifts, even say that they love their friends, but especially the ones who literally say "I love you" to their female friends have an abhorrent opinion on homosexual women.

Real life experience, OP. Get out of and meet real people.
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Ah, okay. :-)
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I was watching it in the late 90’s when i was like 8 so i thought it is older than that and the video quality looked like from the 80’s
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Of ocurse LyraBon is a harmless gay couple and as natural as Sailor Neptune and Uranus were in the 80’s


I agree with you, but I have to say, that Sailor Moon was released first time 1991 in the Nakayoshi magazine. So it’s a 90’s not a 80’s manga. Or is there something I missed? (^_^)?
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