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@genervt

It isn’t officially confirmed to be canon. They’ve teased us with it, but until they actually confirm by mouth that the two are a couple, then it isn’t canon. As it stands, it’s fanon. That’s not denying anything, that’s just stating the obvious.

This fandom needs to stop pushing things on everyone else instead of letting it just happen on its own. If they want them to be a lesbian couple, then let DHX do it on their own accord, not what your headcanon wants it to be. There’s nothing more annoying than a forced ship – gay, straight, or bi. Because then it’s not just natural, it’s just pandering to fans.
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Not confirmed canon.
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@Background Pony #0CF1
Careful with all that straw, it’s a fire hazard.

Most fans are accepting of both gay and straight ships.
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Careful now. That kinda opinion will get you lynched these days. Y’all can’t go waving around that "platonic" fancy word like it’d be some "real" thing. Eeeeeverybody knows all the mares in this here cartoon are LESBIANS, true and PUT. If you can’t accept that, then you must be a gaaaaaaaaaaay hater! Yer not a gaaaaaaay hater… ARE YOU?! >:c
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It could not have been a coincidence that they were featured in this episode, and it’s understandable that there is some confusion as to the context of this scene, considering that every other couple in Ponyville at the time could very clearly be seen as being romantic.

Still, based on what we’ve seen of them throughout the series, there’s just not enough evidence to say with absolute 100% certainty that they are in fact a romantic couple. It’s more likely that they are purposefully portrayed in such a way that the viewer gets to decide for themselves. Platonic, or romantic? With these two it could go either way.
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@genervt
it’s not canon till they start frenching.
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It is canon and it is surely not forced but happens on the side.
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Alright, time to end this huge discussion.

This ship is not, and WILL NEVER BE, CANON or CONFIRMED CANON until Hasbro or the overall creators of the show CONFIRM IT THEMSELVES. All of you trying to force this ship into the show by force, knock it the hell off. Stop trying to shape it into something YOU WANT.

If it happens, then it happens. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t. No goddamn arguments or exceptions about it.

If you people are seriously starting an argument over if two CARTOON HORSES are a lesbian couple, you need to take a break from everything. The creators are not going to pander to you for everything, especially not pandering to you on someone’s sexual orientation.

It’s a kids show. Let’s not forget that. I know kids should become aware of LGBT stuff while they’re young so they can learn to accept it, but forcing it into the show is not the way to go. Knock that shit off.
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Milk and Cookies? Anyone? Seriously, we should calm down and relax. :-/
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@Tavi959
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? In my last post i never mentioned or even implied you had a problem with them being gay. That’s what i mean with being triggered, just the very fact that this is discussed makes you blind and hallucinate things. And of course i read all of what you wrote, otherwise i couldn’t have said "The only important thing in your post" if i didn’t read it.(how can i know if something is important or not if i don’t know what you wrote?)
Please stop being so emotional for one damn second and take what i write at face value. Don’t assume i am pro "this makes it canon" or "Tavi is clearly against gay ponies" simply because i don’t say "You’re wrong!" to the OP. A discussion like this can have several layers on it, not just "me against you".

Here, to summarize again the only thing i ever talked about in this discussion, and please for the love of your sanity, take it face value and don’t interpret imaginary hidden motives behind it: People who don’t see this couple as canon won’t believe it is canon regardless of what the show will present.
That’s all.
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@Kibate
Never assume anything based upon the way something is presented to you. And since you didn’t really read what I wrote, I’ll put and end to you stuffing words in my mouth by repeating the important parts you chose to ignore. You want triggered? Now I’m triggered.

I believe they are gay. No convincing required.

I do not believe that it will ever be canon.

The above image assumes the characters involved to be romantically involved based on subtle actions that can be explained away, and concludes that disagreeing with this notion is wrong.

That last bit is my problem with the image. The argument is that they are a couple and that it cannot be denied. The argument is wrong because it can be denied at any time by anyone who works on the show. It’s not confirmed because you assume it to be based upon the interactions between the two characters. This is a work of fiction, it can be changed. Those interactions can be ended and then suddenly the argument made by this image evaporates.

Now, I politely ask that you stop assuming me to have a problem with the idea that Lyra and Bon Bon are gay. I don’t. My problem is that fanon isn’t canon, and this image is effectively saying that it is. That’s my problem.
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@Tavi959
Holy fucking shit, can you like, not write an entire essay for once? How can you claim to not get triggered when you do shit like this?
First off, where certain animators, executives and voice actors come from or do their work doesn’t matter, it’s produced for American audiences primarily, and that’s what is important in this discussion.

The only part of your essay that is important to my question is this single sentence:
Neither of those things is likely to happen

In other words, there is absolutely no way anyone could ever hope to convince you that a certain couple in this show is gay. In other words, you just confirmed what i said in the beginning, the only thing i said in this entire discussion: I never said anything about this being canon, i never said anything about this not being canon. I never said whether that is good or bad. I only said: People like the person who made this image will never be able to convince you that this is canon.

Thanks for writing several essays on just agreeing with me, just because you got triggered that someone possibly could have considered something canon that you think is not evidence enough to do so.
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First off, MLP is made in Vancouver, British Columbia. Most of the people who work on the show are not conservative as Canada is not a conservative country. An American Democrat would be a conservative in Canada, that’s how liberal Canada is. I should know, I live there.

And while in principle, I can agree that they are showing what they are allowed to that still doesn’t make it canon. Facts are facts, and sometimes they suck. The only way it becomes canon without external confirmation is if it is confirmed in-show via something undeniably romantic. Neither of those things is likely to happen, we both agree on that. Because to this point, while they are stretching it A LOT, the things Lyra and Bon Bon do with each other still fit within the otherwise blatant lie that they are best friends.

Believe me, I would love nothing more than for them to admit it. To acknowledge it and let it happen instead of this veiled crap. But when it’s down to cold, hard facts? All that remains said about it is that they are best friends. It’s a bullshit lie, but it’s a bullshit lie that could be made very, very true by the stroke of a pen. And that sucks because we can’t control that. Some lawyer could decide tomorrow that their portrayal is too risky to show to kids and tell them to tone it down. They could also decide that Hasbro should allow them to be openly gay, too, so it’s a double edged sword that absolutely cuts both ways.

My ultimate point here is that you and I don’t get to decide what is and is not canon because we don’t make the show. And someone who does get to decide could change how we see Lyra and Bon Bon portrayed at any time. The cute "best friends" couple we’ve seen over the last few years could literally be completely removed from the second half of season 8 and onwards. They could even remove the characters from the show entirely with no explanation if they like. And it’s the people with the power to do that who get the last word on what’s canon.

I’m not trying to argue with you. I’m not even triggered, despite what you seem to think. I’m just dealing in cold, hard facts because that’s what’s real. You can justify it as canon to yourself all you want…but you can be made immediately wrong by the people who make the canon. I’m sorry if we can’t agree on that, but it’s the truth.
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@Tavi959
Since you are so much triggered, let me approach this topic in a different way.
First off, it’s clear they will never actually confirm a lgbt thing in the actual show due to this show being kid-friendly produced in a conservative nation. Right? right.
But let’s assume for a second, they still might want to show an lgbt couple, male-gays or lesbians, whatever. And let’s just assume for the sake of argument, they want to do this with LyraBon. How do you think they would be able to do this for a person like you to accept it as canon?
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Incorrect. I am not against this being canon at all. What I am against is people forcing their headcanon in an attempt to affirm it as canon when it is not.

The show presents very close friends. They have not been depicted doing anything that would be done exclusively by a couple, and this has been done deliberately to keep it ambiguous. It’s a ship tease, but a ship tease on its own isn’t an admission.

I’m not triggered at all. I frankly don’t care what people choose to headcanon. It’s got nothing at all to do with whether or not I want LyraBon to be canon (I do, I’ve been shipping them for years) but rather the simple fact that the fandom wanting something badly doesn’t make it a canon fact.

You can want it to be canon. You can view the ship teasing as making it so, even. But it’s not and it never will be canon for the same reason Derpy’s name was changed and Vinyl Scratch is a mute. I lament these facts. It genuinely upsets me that Hasbro is too afraid of the soccer mom brigade to do what should be done.

It’s not about being unable to convince me. Quite the opposite, in fact. I see them as a couple, no convincing required. The reason you will not convince me it is canon is simply because it is not. Are they stretching the definition of what is strictly platonic friendship? You bet they are. And they’re doing it on purpose because they know we want to see it. But the romantic relationship is strictly fanon unless or until someone associated with it says otherwise.

Ashleigh Ball, who voiced Lyra, is an LGBT advocate herself and ships AppleDash based on some things she’s posted. The only thing that counters her shipping of her two main characters is that others among the staff (including Lauren, I believe) have stipulated that RD isn’t gay. If she shipped it, I’d say it was canon unless someone more involved with the characters came out and said otherwise. In fact, if someone asked Ashleigh, she’d probably ship it, but I don’t think anyone ever has. Jim’s been asked, back when Rainbow Rocks dropped the first tease. I recall him making a non-response.

Ship whatever you like. I encourage you to do so. But the only people who get a say in what’s canon are the people who work on the show. And, as I said before, ship teasing doesn’t make a ship canon. And personally, I’d rather keep getting ship teased without it getting outright Jossed. Because, if pressed, we all know what the official line will be. And then the ship teasing ends.
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blablabla…
You don’t have to like it. You sound plenty salty about it, in fact. But you don’t get to decide what is and is not canon.

What was salty about my comment? I just said people who ship this won’t be able to convince people who don’t, accept this as canon no matter what is presented in the show. That’s literally all i said. Heck, i didn’t even say a single line about what my personal opinion on this matter is.
And considering triggered reactions like yours to comments like mine, you are just proving my point. You are so much against this being canon that(despite your claim that you ship it) that you try to fight people who are not even disagreeing with you.
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