@CardStock  
@Ryodraco
 
Girls girls, can we all just agree that both Flash and Timber are just equally terrible?
 
(sorry, didn’t realize until after I posted it was a two year old post. Not that I regret the post of course.)

@Ryodraco  
“I don’t know if one can say it was forgotten in a few seconds given details from it are one of the things that makes Sunset suspect he is behind the strange events at camp.”
 
Clearly we werent’ watching the same movie because none of those few seconds made Sunset suspect him at all. In fact she only reacted with “Twilight seems fine”. Her suspicions came more from him running off when trouble happened and then in the woods. And since none of that came back when she spoke of her suspicions I don’t think you can fairly argue that and it’s more of a grasping at straws.
 
“We still don’t know anything about Flash’s past beyond that he dated Sunset for a while.”
 
And broke up with her and given everything it’s clear (or at least really implied) it was because he couldn’t handle her being such a bitch. But yah forgetting him being in a band too? I mean Timber’s personal history is minimal. How much would the story have changed if his grand parents weren’t the ones who made the camp in the first place and instead he was there cause of his sister working there cause it was important to her? What real relevance did his grandparents making the camp really impact his part of the story? Most of his interactions were with Twilight and his sister and the only one he was concerned about was his sister. He didn’t seem choked up about the camp going away so what relevance did that part have? Again, most of his “backstory” was kinda pointless and didn’t further his character arc at all really. Not in a plot relevant way.
 
“The issues with his sister gives him a clearer identity outside of being the romantic interest and likewise gives him something meaningful to do other than interacting with Twilight.”
 
Yeah just like Flash knowing Sunset’s dark side and clearly not being afraid to go against her. For both it’s another case of “if they didn’t have a romantic interest in Twilight, nothing really important would be lost” But in Timber’s case, you’d almost cut the movie running time by half. If you were to cut out ALL the bits of the two different romances and only kept those that were plot relevant for example or at least those that were clearly for furthering the romance itself, you’d find that funny enough more of Flash’s scenes with Twilight stay.
 
“Said corny things often being things that applied to her interests, namely scientific details that a lot of people wouldn’t appreciate”
 
Name one. Oh you mean the bit on sapphires? What that most of them are blue? Wooo. And I know what you’re gonna say; “He knew about them being named after the latin word sapphirus which means blue”. But funny enough, no it doesn’t. Sapphirus does not mean blue and is the latin name for a blue metamorphic rock, not the gemstone.
 
“he seemed to have a good grasp on and actually enjoyed talking about.”
 
You mean that he talked about it to warm up to Twilight more because once she kept going on the topic it went right over his head and he seemed to turn around and use it more to impress her and look cool rather than because it was something he found actually interesting.
 
“All that falls under “nice buy” in my book. Its a good thing certainly but I don’t see how it really fleshes him out much as a character.”
 
And then there’s him being a clutz of course and other points that came up in the shorts and small scenes in other films too. It’s not fleshing him out greatly but again, how is Timber more fleshed out? Especially considering the only evidently good quality of Timber is he’s concerned about his sister. More of his personality involves his smug and that’s a double edged sword right there because it can make a character very grating. I mean the guy introduced himself as “the awesome one”. We already have a self gratifying character in Rainbow Dash.
 
“I’d say it was a good amount of that and also a good amount of more meaningful dialog,”
 
Yeah right. Name one bit of dialogue they had that was actually plot relevant, that actually furthered the plot and had relevance later. That’s what “meaningful” means and they didn’t really have any. The only thing he let Twilight know about him was what he wanted as a kid and she never really confided anything into him. Again, take all the scenes of both ships and leave ONLY moments that were related to the plot and actually furthered it. It may shock you but there is more of that with Flash than there is with Timber. So if they act flirty, or blush, make bedroom eyes, etc. That sort of thing, it gets cut. I’ll even let yah do it just with this new film and the first Equestria Girls. I can only count one or two for Timber but at least 2-3 for Flash.
 
“plus there are a number of scenes of them spending time together where we don’t get to hear what they are saying.”
 
Putting two people in the same scene together doesn’t really count towards making their relationship have meaning or purpose, especially not if you dont’ hear what they’re saying. We have moments like that with Flash and Twilight and we can easily fill in the blanks. Hell, Flash even forsook dignity to do that crazy dance with Twilight that one time. That’s a real bonding moment there because he’s embracing her dork side. Never saw that much with Timber and Sci-Twi did we?
 
All in all, the point is more that yes, Timber was more relevant to the plot, but his interactions with Twilight were less so than Flash’s were. It makes Timber’s involvement with her seem more pointless, especially when all their interactions equated to him being smug and corny while she giggles. They had more opportunities to do more than that yet they really didn’t. Flash and Twilight had less interaction but there was variation at least and even what seemed to be a progression of their reactions to it. You could jumble up the majority of Timber and Twi’s moments and not tell the difference as to what the original order was. At least with Flash and Twilight they seemed to progress in some manner so you could see a sort of chronology to it. I’m still of the camp that both were unnecessary but at least Flash’s interactions with Twilight seemed to have more relevance to the plot more often than Timber and Twilight’s.

@Kayaana13  
She was wondering where the magical geodes came from.

@CardStock  
I see what you’re saying, but just let me clarify a few things I said:
 
“Which was glossed over and forgotten in seconds. And really, him wanting to live in the city is a worthy backstory?”
 
I don’t know if one can say it was forgotten in a few seconds given details from it are one of the things that makes Sunset suspect he is behind the strange events at camp. Moreover, by backstory I meant also that he gets a home that we see and a history with it (family had camp for generations, parents implied to be dead, grew up at the camp, now helps sister run it). We still don’t know anything about Flash’s past beyond that he dated Sunset for a while.
 
“Yeah and?”
 
The issues with his sister gives him a clearer identity outside of being the romantic interest and likewise gives him something meaningful to do other than interacting with Twilight.
 
“Like what? What did they bond over? What were their mutual interests? All that they did was have him say something corny (usually involving him being full of himself) and then her giggling.”
 
Said corny things often being things that applied to her interests, namely scientific details that a lot of people wouldn’t appreciate but he seemed to have a good grasp on and actually enjoyed talking about.
 
“And that he was a good guy with a sense of justice and not really fond of girls who are evil like Sunset Shimmer.”
 
All that falls under “nice buy” in my book. Its a good thing certainly but I don’t see how it really fleshes him out much as a character.
 
“Again, do you really consider it much interaction when it’s basically just him saying something cheesy or smug and then her giggling about it?”
 
I’d say it was a good amount of that and also a good amount of more meaningful dialog, plus there are a number of scenes of them spending time together where we don’t get to hear what they are saying.

@Ryodraco  
“Well unlike Flash, Timber gets a backstory,”  
Which was glossed over and forgotten in seconds. And really, him wanting to live in the city is a worthy backstory?
 
“a major personal stake in the plot,”  
Yeah and?
 
“bonding with Twi over mutual interests.”  
Like what? What did they bond over? What were their mutual interests? All that they did was have him say something corny (usually involving him being full of himself) and then her giggling.
 
“All of that is a huge improvement over Flash who got pretty much nothing other than “nice, good looking guy” as a character “  
And that he was a good guy with a sense of justice and not really fond of girls who are evil like Sunset Shimmer. He was more than good looks remember? And he did get some MINOR extra stuff in the other films and shorts. Was it much? No.
 
“Course the initial attraction between Timber and Twi is still purely physical,”  
Yeah and the initial attraction between Flash and Twilight wasn’t really that was it? It came more from her bumping into him then having an awkward moment of hands touching. But then it didn’t really take off til after her song and he cleared her name.
 
“but nothing wrong with that given they gave it more once they started interacting.”  
Again, do you really consider it much interaction when it’s basically just him saying something cheesy or smug and then her giggling about it?
 
Ultimately I didn’t see this as really any true improvement. And as you said, time constraints don’t afford much focus to romance, but that’s all the more reason to not do it at all because it ends up sucking. And consider the following. The actual plot to this film was rather quick and short, and a lot more time was spent on this ship and having them interact. But again, there wasn’t much good done with it. It was clearly more like another one of those “It needs a romance so we’ll give them one, but they’ll bitch if we have it be Flash so let’s do a new guy”. They could have started as friends and then worked it in slowly. But they didn’t. They jumped head long into it and there was no real progression that felt real.
 
I’m not really defending FlashLight so much. I am more complaining about how romance in these films and in the show itself tend to suck really bad. Whether this is because the writers can’t do it well or because the studio demands it and it must be their way or what ever. But again, think of all the couples, the ones that show legit romantic interest in the other. They are almost never interesting in the show or these films. The only times they are is when it’s by accident like with AJ and Rarity or Bon Bon and Lyra. I am not against them including romance in episodes or movies, I just want them done well. TimberTwi had potential and they screwed it from the word go because it felt more rushed and forced than even FlashLight was, and FlashLight also had potential but in the first one it suffered just as TimberTwi and in the rest it felt more like they were afraid to do it cause of butthurt Twi-lovers.

@Background Pony #43C0  
Well unlike Flash, Timber gets a backstory, family, a major personal stake in the plot, and bonding with Twi over mutual interests. All of that is a huge improvement over Flash who got pretty much nothing other than “nice, good looking guy” as a character (and who at this point we are made to feel sorry for, while I am more upset over how he is still given no background). Course the initial attraction between Timber and Twi is still purely physical, but nothing wrong with that given they gave it more once they started interacting.
 
Whether that is enough or not is more up to interpretation, but I’d say he is a lot more tolerable as a legitimate crush, especially considering the time constraints of a movie that can’t afford to give romance a lot of focus.

Sunset took off her shoes…  
so maybe like:“Ahh I have been standing whole day long! My feet are sore….”  
i dont even know what am i doing

And then they returned to their tent and “embraced the magic” until sunrise.
 
So I’m late to the whole Timber SciTwi thing, but you know… I don’t hate it. I felt a bit bad for Flash, actually, but he himself pointed out that this Twilight wasn’t the same girl he had known, and it was pretty mature of him to realize he needed to move on. And heck, if he ends up back with a better version of Sunset, more power to him.

timberXtwilight
 
hmmmmmm  
not sure if hasbro is fan-servicing by making flaslight non-canon
 
or trolling brony fandom

@Danielakiiki  
Two characters don’t need to be the same thing to be compatible. For this cartoon I always look to Mr. and Mrs. Cake as the best inspiration for what an ideal couple would be like. Timber just looks like another perfect pretty boy type.

@PonyPon  
Complete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLLGeGZYSDc

@Background Pony #43C0  
Well, he was shown as having similar interests as Twilight (both are eggheads) so he’s more tolerable then Flash.

@PonyPon  
I figured as much… he kinda looks like another case of trying to use ‘pretty-boy’ as a substitute for actual personality.

@Background Pony #43C0  
He’s much better a character as he has personal stake in the plot and other characters in it, but he doesn’t bring much more in terms of a romantic interest.

I haven’t seen the movie but I am curious… is Timber Spruce just another character who uses shallow concepts as substitutes for a personality like Flash Sentry or is he an actual character? Because at this moment in time I’m more than a little worried that we’re just getting a character who’s is just as bad as, if not worse than, Flash Sentry.

The sadness at the end though…. V__V

@Fluidty  
Then Sunset’s double brow raise doubled the adorableness, then Twilight’s elbow tripled the adorableness, then both of them blush sipping quadrupled the adorableness, then I cried when Sunset stopped smiling.

But I must admit…How Sci and Timber are walking away from each other is pretty adorable. :3

Those two girls. XD

@Falvernn  
That would be awesome, but I doubt that Hasbro would make one of its main characters officially gay (or LGBTQ in general).

@Fluidty  
The next Equestria Girls will be about Sunset’s fight for her repressed feelings for Twilight.

Am I the only one that noticed that Sunset is probably barefoot cuz she is holding her shoes and that stupid banner didn’t let us see it? Demn it!

@Falvernn  
Totally. xD