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Aasha
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Wallet After Summer Sale

@Ihhh
What? They set the precedent for what the changelings were during the wedding episode. Tricksters that relied on kidnapping and deceit to steal love as a food source. It’s not like what has been suggested goes off the rails.

Edited to add:
Just so you know I’m not trying to argue one way or the other being better. You’re free to prefer it the way it turned out. I don’t see anything "wrong" with either way. I just don’t prefer the change.
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@The Toaster Repair Pony
there’s no reason that a race of insectoid soul vampires could produce a bleeding heart deserter

Quick quiz: What’s the subtitle of the show itself?

…There y’go. FIM is a nice universe, if you want Crapsaccharine you have to hit up fanfic.

@Ihhh
If you forfeit, then you lose and I win

I honestly can’t think of a correct response to this that isn’t a Rule #0 violation; they’re just all unflattering all the way down the page.
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Aasha
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I think I would have liked it more if the changelings remained evil. I kind of thought of the changelings like the dark elves of MLP: A bad-guy race that the audience sincerely enjoys as-is. Yet a race where everyone wants to make an original character of that defies the values of the race itself and turns into the rhetorical Dritzz.

I think the popularity of the changelings is what brought them around to this reformation. I’ve read very few fics that included changelings (as more than nameless adversities) who didn’t either start off ’different’ or come around to changing sides. Though I say that with uncertainty since just about every baddie got reformed in this show anyway.

Now they’re all gummybear Dritzzes.
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raw19
I Open at the Close
If Thorax had been a traitor in that episode, i do feel it would have ruined the intended message. I think it would have been quite interesting from a storyteller perspective as well. Sadly, it would have also ruined Spike. He put his reputation with The Crystal Empire on the line, swearing up and down that Thorax was good and to give him a chance. And then Thorax turns around and betrays him, betrays them all? The Crystal Ponies would never trust Spike again!

If they had gone that route then i would have wanted a tear-jerking, heartfelt scene in the finale where Thorax realizes what a horrible thing he’s done, turns into a legit good guy, and begs everyone for their forgiveness.

Which of course would have totally stolen Glimmer’s thunder in the finale. We can’t have that. xDD
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@Ihhh
Roight, then this conversation’s going nowhere anytime soon. I’ll just EFF! off to the Retconnian, then.
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@The Toaster Repair Pony
Again, you didn’t address most of my points, and again, if there’s no contradiction, then there is nothing wrong with the message. Also, you don’t know if any of those changelings who were "having fun" were thorax, in fact, you don’t even know how many of the changelings were "having fun" and how many were just following orders.
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A Perfectly Normal Pony - <TheToasterRepairPony> Social reforms require sacrifice.

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@Ihhh
Neither did they say that they could.
And they sure seemed to be having fun when they were tearing Canterlot a new EFFhole
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@The Toaster Repair Pony
1. Because he’s a fEFF!ing Changeling, that’s what they fEFF! do.

I have no idea what that’s supposed to mean.

2. The message was wrong from a lore standpoint, plain and simple.


No it isn’t. Nothing in the show stated that changelings could not think for themselves and that they couldn’t be good.

3. It was about a villain’s Heel Face Turn, which in hindsight also happened to Glimmer, Diamond Tiara and, to a lesser degree, Trixie.


No it wasn’t. Thorax was never a villain, and he was good at the beginning of the episode. There was no heel-face turn.
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