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>Causing Trouble
How dare we try to help the people !
They didn’t rise because of Socialism, in fact, they tried to hijack Socialism
“National Socialist German Workers’ Party”
“Italian Social Republic*
Falangism called itself “Third Position”
The Nazis and Italian Fascists rose due to Economic Depression
The Ruling Class were afraid of losing power so they backed Fascists, who did a fine job of fucking workers right, left and center by putting down strikes and breaking up Socialist meetings.
As for Spain ? Well, Franco basically sperged out at the Election Results and said “lol fuck democracy” and decided to take over the Government.
Sounds like your kind of guy
I mean, yeah, you could argue that they rose because of Socialist Reaction but it doesn’t mean we were the ones at fault that since it was the ruling class that supported the Fascists
 
Point proven
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@Whatevs  
Facists were never or very hazily socialists. Marx never said “purge the jews” nor tried to justify class inequality. Nor did he believe in superior races or nations.  
I’m afraid the only thing socialists and fascists have in common is… hatred of capitalism.
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[screams in German]
You know, I can’t really hate communism and socialism entirely because 1. Commune is a really nice person and 2. China.
 
So yeah, it’s really awkward. Plus, while I prefer capitalism more, I can agree that it doesn’t work most of the time. Then again, no system ever works most of the time. We just chose the one that works more than others.
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Should I start linking what the Second Spanish Republic did to the corpses of nuns?
 
The goal or objective of using violence differs between revolutionary communists and fascists.  
For revolutionary communists, it is to bring forth the revolution and change the system.  
For fascists, it is to crush dissenting forces and keep stability.  
Socialism does not immediately lead to tyranny. Revolutionary socialism only leads to dictatorship by either accident or leader worship, but most revolutionary socialists defend a more collective effort. Fascists, meanwhile, openly defend and promote tyranny as they perceive democracy as flawed.
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@Whatevs  
As i said, revolutionary socialists are not politically uniform, despite looking like such at first glance.  
Stalinism differs from trotskyism which differs from luxembourgism. I’m afraid the first is an environmental result of the russian revolution, not an objective.  
That being said, my support for revolutionary socialism is iffy because it requires a lot of conditions to work desiredly.
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[screams in German]
Another attack on freedom of speech.
 
Sounds really hypocritical of these Islamic leaders. Yes, we do criticise your key figures more often than other religious figures but then again, there aren’t many other religious figures that speak in public as if you’re on live television.
 
You don’t see a Christian pastor saying “Praise the Lord” on TV or in big speeches. You don’t see a Hindu priest doing the same. But Muslims giving Islamic talks are extremely often, many of which are televised in some way. Because of that, it’s expected that they are criticised much more frequently than any other religion on television.
 
Don’t believe me? We have entire channels and programmes dedicated for that. There’s so much of it that even I’m sick of it.
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@HJSDGCE  
>China is socialist  
Stop right there
 
@BadgingBadger  
The problem is that early socialists did not take into account ideology  
It was the Situationists, the Frankfurt School and Gramsci who had to explain the influence of ideology and how it isn’t as simple as  
  1. Take over country  
  2. Seize MOP  
  3. Win  
    And now, ideology is entrenched and it will be one hell of a fight to take it out  
    Plus the situations of the early socialist projects weren’t in their favor, Catalonia had very little troops as compared to Franco’s whose had the support of the military, the USSR was an agrarian shithole and Germany had the Freikorps which fought against the Weimar Republic then allied itself with the Weimar to put down Luxemburg’s Revolution  
    @Shirani  
    full
     
    One last point, imagine if I was in the 19th century and said, “Look at the French ! They keep descending into Monarchy ! Liberalism can never work !”  
    Yeah, you get my point
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