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I don’t think it has that much to do with hormones. Sexual or anything.  
If that’s true, then how would one explain boys occasionally liking girl stuff? And vice-versa?  
I think what you meant by this is that sexual impetus hormones later in life lead to boys respecting girls more and seeing them less as “nasty girly girls”, but i can say that many young boys already have quite some libido, regardless if they know it.
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@BadgingBadger  
But are you okay with forcing change in areas prevalent in certain medias to make them more “Appealing” to the other?
 
@BadgingBadger  
If that’s true, then how would one explain boys occasionally liking girl stuff? And vice-versa
 
It’s called an abnormality. Boys are more attracted to mechanical things while girls are attracted nurturing analogs like dolls.
 
It’s a hard-wired into DNA. Even with all modern advancements, humans are animals.
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Children are a hard argument when it comes to choice.  
One could easily indoctrinate them into gender-swapped thinking, but it would be hard to track it down as anything malicious since children will very oftenly say they started thinking this way by consent and self-willingness. And because they are human beings, they can also access human rights, so their way of thinking is legal because they adopted it by themselves. Or were they forced into it by their teachers/parents?  
The argument can often be summarized as “children are either property or human beings”.
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Which is why people are doing it with Safe schools and “Queer kids stuff”.
 
They know children are sponges and it’s making them think Trans is what you HAVE to be. Go look at these people, look at National Geographic’s “Gender revolution” where a Trans activist “Not suspicious at all” as a son who’s trans and look at the cover how “She” is displayed.
 
It’s a disturbing picture as they know what they’re doing and they’re just damage children just like the Dr. Money who forced twin boys to do sexual acts with each other, one being told he was a woman due to a botch circumcision and the story ends with both committing suicide and the doctor serving zero time in prison, because he was the type these gender ideologues like.
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About this whole privilege argument going on I think I should explain something  
Patriarchy is detrimental to both men and women  
The ideas it perpetuates harm both men and women  
For example, masculinity and femininity
 
I’m not supporting identity politics, but I’m not rejecting the idea of feminism and the concept of Patriarchy either
 
As for those saying why I’m saying why I’m saying Patriarchy exist  
Well, If one were to study the politics, we must study all of its aspects, not just the rigid dogmatic view of the classical liberals
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Kids shouldn’t be trans at all. They should be getting hormones, blockers and drugs until they’re adults that know and have time to make sure.
 
A lot of people feel odd during stages of growing up, to just slap a label “You’re trans.” and give them all sorts of hormones that can mess them up is as bad as the 1040s “homosexual” videos that are swiftly becoming near fact with how these regressive morons are acting.
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Yes, i appreciate parents taking more liberal attitudes towards their children. But the main problem here is gender segregation as perceived by the children themselves.
There are those occasions with boys shouting “no girls allowed” or girls thinking boys are immature and brash, while a boy who wears pink and plays with dolls is often bullied when the authorities aren’t looking, and something tells me that may influence their heads later in life.
I feel comfortable looking at children of both genders playing together on neutral playground attractions or toys. Segregating them into gender standards won’t do too much bad, but as long as both genders can choose their own way of having fun. There’s no need to force girls into liking fat dolls, they just have to be told that there’s no problem with them, for example.
 
Are you telling me that children aren’t allowed to choose? I mean, no one is forcing anyone anything. If a girl wants to play with her doll, then let her. You can’t force her to play with Hotwheels. That’s stupid and abusive.
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Ugh, this is what I really hate.
 
I’m a little over 20, and I don’t think I even know what it really means to be a man, yet. I haven’t been a father, just for one. But kids in their early teens are deciding they may be trans or homosexual or whatnot when they barely even know what or who they are, because they see these things on the internet and don’t understand.
 
I hate it. It’s like, “kid, you don’t even know what it means to be straight, or what it means to be your gender, so don’t even worry about those things yet.”
 
And then there’s the whole thing of:  
A) You can be born as the wrong gender  
B) Gender is nothing but a social construct
 
Pick one.
 
And I’m of the very unpopular opinion that Gender Dysphoria is just that - a mental condition - and having them go against their history and the DNA encoded in every cell of their body is about as beneficial as telling a schizophrenic person their delusions are real. I’m sorry, but it’s really just and only delusions - your chromosomes answer the question without any doubt.
 
If you don’t like the way you look, sure, that’s the way you look, whatever, and if you don’t like the social stigmas, then yeah, that’s the social stigmas, but there’s no doubt at all that you are one gender or another. The only exceptions would be the extremely rare people with ambiguous organs (both or neither) and/or irregular DNA - though I don’t know if that’s even possible outside of something like Down’s syndrome.
 
EDIT: Oh sweet mother of God, those idiots are trying to redefine the mental condition with their stupid, horrible “non-binary” ideas. I identify as an attack helicopter.
 
But hey, it’s psychology, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised there’s some serious weight to put feels before reals.
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I personally don’t think trans people are mentally ill. To be quite fair, it’s hard to pin down what a trans person really is – is it, for example, a man who just says to other people he identifies as a girl, or is it a man who just likes girly stuff? But if the latter is true, then all crossdressers can be considered trans people.  
I’m a little over 20, and I don’t think I even know what it really means to be a man, yet. I haven’t been a father, just for one. But kids in their early teens are deciding they may be trans or homosexual or whatnot when they barely even know what or who they are, because they see these things on the internet and don’t understand.
 
I’m one to believe sexual orientation isn’t a stone-set thing regarding the way people grow up – a boy can be batshit-straight when he is still a kid, but reveal himself to be gay when he grows up. But i still don’t believe it’s a choice, people are either born with such mental conditions or are conditioned themselves into their sexual orientation by traumas or memories.  
B) Gender is nothing but a social construct
 
Actually, pro-trans people wouldn’t be so stupid as to deny that people have penises or vaginas. In fact, they mostly believe gender is segregated into two constructs:  
-the biological one  
-the social or psychological one  
As theorized by Simone De Beauvoir and other second-wave feminists.  
having them go against their history and the DNA encoded in every cell of their body is about as beneficial as telling a schizophrenic person their delusions are real
 
The difference here is that a schizophrenic person can be dangerous to society, whereas a trans person is just a person with a mostly harmless, unorthodox way of seeing themselves.  
But hey, it’s psychology, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised there’s some serious weight to put feels before reals.
 
In this case, feels are, in a way, just as much reals as the biological reals, and they end up dropping the individual into a psychological conflict. I support a way to give trans people easier access to gender reassignment surgery.
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Look at these people…  
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They’re not stronger then fear, They’re fear is making them this way! They game into the fear mongers that told them everything is going to be terrible and look at them. True cowards.
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@BadgingBadger  
I was under the impression Trans were people who had gender dysphoria and thought of themselves as female, or “identified” as such. Crossdressers are crossdressers, femboys, etc, but trans people are those who would, say, actually go for a reassignment surgery.
 
-the biological one
-the social or psychological one
Okay, but what’s the point? I know they think of biological sex and social gender as two different things, but you’re kind of being a coward and conforming to gender stereotypes instead of actually just being who you are. If you’re a girl that wants to be a guy then you’re not a guy - you’re a girl that likes masculine tendencies, and to change your sex in reflection of that is to bow down to stereotypes and say that you can’t be a girl while you have those masculine tendencies, or vice versa. You’re changing what’s physical and solidly real about yourself to conform to some nebulous, social concept of what a guy or girl is.
 
You’re not “being your true self”, you’re quite literally running from your true self. Unless, again, your “true self” is to reject physical reality and conform to nebulous, non-physical ideas. And it’s not quite as dangerous to other people - well, not always - as a severe case of schizophrenia, but the internal turmoil is comparable if suicide rates are any indicator. These people are just mutilating their own bodies because they don’t feel right that way.
 
Lemme tell ya, if you think feelings are real, then don’t try for a STEM career.
 
The one exception I might grant this is, I think in Iran, where they allow gay guys to go Trans so they’re “not gay” so Iran doesn’t kill them. Seems like a pretty legit way to avoid getting killed. Definitely not condoning that, but it’s a way out of a noose, so I can’t really fault them for taking that. There’s a few such odd cases where I can see it being fine, but I don’t think someone should have it done just because they “don’t feel right this way”. That really sounds more like a mental issue they need to resolve.
 
My big point here is that gender dysphoria and schizophrenia are both mental mis-alignments with physical reality. You don’t change reality to match a schizophrenic’s visions to help them, you help them to resolve the issue in their own minds.
 
 
 
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Salt and pepper go together.
 
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@Cirrus Light  
The Usual people Yeah, THOSE ones. are already saying that the cops are just tossing tear gas a “Peaceful” protestors.
 
Sigh…. And they wonder why people hate them. So many have already seen footage of them breaking windows, vandalizing, assaulting and they try to come along and say “Cops be hatin’.”
 
It’s getting tiresome how ingrained in their own B.S. they are.
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@Cirrus Light  
I personally think trans people are just people who sre unhappy with the gender they were born with, so they end up acting and living like the opposite gender in order to compensate for not having money for gender reassignment surgery. IMO, there’s no mental illness in that.  
In case of doubt, just ask a trans person in real life. Most of the time, they’ll not only tell you their identified gender, but also their biological one.  
you’re kind of being a coward and conforming to gender stereotypes instead of actually just being who you are.
 
Please keep in mind that those who are trans or just conform to opposite gender standards have all the right to do so, because they feel it is who they are. There’s no “cowardry” in not being happy with the genitalia you were born with.
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@Cirrus Light  
To cut through the abstracts of transgenderism as a concept, it’s easier to consider it as a hormonal imbalance condition, as overtly simplified and faulty it is. Everyone has a built in hormone level that the brain tries to manage and match, which is notably different between men and women. In the case of transgenderism, the brain has a built in hormone balance of the opposite gender, which causes the mismatch when the body secretes a wrong ammount and type of sexhormones than the brain expects. It’s one of the reasons why puberty is the most common time when the dysphoria symptoms first manifest severely.
 
You can also partially apply the same phenomena of “phantom pain”, which is where the brain mappings still has the portions that sense where your body parts are in relation to your body, even if the limb itself is no longer there.
 
In essence, the brain would be otherwise healthy if it was in its supposed body it was built for and would therefore be categorized as a medical condition rather than a psychological condition. Any illness can have a neurological symptom or effect, but you would not categorize skin cancer as a mental illness even if it causes depression in the patient.
 
Adding gender roles to the equation only needlessly complicates the matter, as related and intertwined it has become.
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@BadgingBadger  
Well, I Feel like I should be a millionaire and we all know that’s not going to happen. Just because people Feel doesn’t give them the right to demand respect from people without respecting others and being absolute assholes to the “Non-trans”
 
I’ve seen a lot of Trans gendered people who come out against the Reilly Denieses and Milo Stewarts that say gender dysphonia is a mental condition.
 
So I think I’d take their word over others.
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Just because people Feel doesn’t give them the right to demand respect from people without respecting others
 
Repsect as in tolerating and regarding the other as a human being, or respect as in empowerment?
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