The SJW Thread [edge containment zone] [possibly NSFW]

And merits don’t matter?
 
All these “progressives” care about is skin colour, gender, sexuality, and religion.

@SeraphimDawn  
Question: Have they ever cared about a religion other than islam?

@SeraphimDawn  
That’s why the only good way to describe then is regressives. It’s like they think because hundreds of years ago whites were treated better (even though whit immigrants were treated just as bad) and women were more a protected class, they believe taking jobs away from some more qualified for to someone who’s not based soul on their skin color, gender or in some cases ideology that it’s a good thing.
 
>HYSTORY  
>DOOMED

@Cyborg_pony  
They need to take in History class, stat.  
And I mean, the unbiased one.

@HJSDGCE  
I doubt they will unless it’s “The white man caused all the problems in history and everyone is a victim to their oppression.”
 
They won’t even acknowledge or admit, African slaves were bought from Africans as in OTHER BLACKS! And they sure as Hell wont admit that slavery is still practiced there, and that it’s abolished in the 1st world countries.

@SeraphimDawn  
1440 already. Twice as many dislikes as likes. And all the top comments are saying; “We don’t give a crap about race or gender, just hire based on skill!”
 
I hope they get the message.
 
 
@SeraphimDawn  
At first I was a bit appalled, and then I saw it; these are interns. Wow. Just wow. Interns.
 
 
@Cyborg_pony  
Yes, thank you.
 

@Cyborg_pony
 
You sure do like toss imaginary straw-liberals around, huh?
 
No, no, you’re right. We liberals never acknowledge when black people do bad things. Like the leaders of the Ugandan government outlawing homosexuality, or warlords like Joseph Kony who conscript child soldiers. …Or on a less gruesome but still awful note, politicians like Ben Carson making horrendously homophobic comments? Nope, liberals have never publicly opposed that sort of thing.
 
Wait. We have? Like, regularly, even? Well, how about that! It turns out that acknowledging the bad actions of individual white people doesn’t mean that we’re incapable of acknowledging the bad actions of individual black people. We’re capable of doing both after all!
 
But by all means, please continue about how liberals only care about evil when it’s perpetuated by white people.

@Cyborg_pony  
>Protected class
 
Very much that, though.
 
One of the things that really drive me insane are their claims of misogyny, when it’s painfully obvious that in many cases it’s not women being objectified or oppressed as a lower class, but held on a pedestal.
 
I love Based Mom’s (ehck, forget her real name - classic feminist who does/did a lot with Milo) take on it - she calls’em “fainting couch feminists”. This highly pampered, protected and carefully cared for rich upper class in Victorian England being melodramatic about their woes, leading to the classical image of somepony like Rarity fainting on her couch, “oh, woe is me!”
 
Women, 4x more likely to get off death row, less likely to be convicted of crimes, never have their motives questioned if they like children - hell, even saying “I like children” will paint you terribly unless you’re a woman - given lighter sentences when they are convicted, and never forced to go fight and die for their country. Oh, and not expected to work their whole lives to support a family. But if they want to, that’s cool, too. And people find it endearing when they break their gender roles and act tomboyish. And unlike men, their rape accusations are taken seriously, and can sometimes lead to some horrible and heavy fallout at a mere unproven accusation.
 
If that’s oppression and misogyny, then I want some!
 
The classic response is the; “Well, we feminists are pushing for a more egalitarian society, and…”
 
Then why are they feminists and not egalitarians? Simple, really; despite all that leaning in favor of women, for some reason it’s more important to campaign women’s needs in the 21st century after the previous waves of feminism have done their jobs…
 

 
@Greg Universe  
I have to say, kudos to you for sticking around in this thread. Most of the times liberals aren’t willing to even talk to people they disagree with. In countless encounters, I’ve almost always seen them either back out or say some crappy excuse on why it’s not worth talking about to me. I’ve always found that hypocritical of people who say issues like the Iran nuclear deal need all talking and no action - when they often cut off talking.
 
But you’ve proven that at least some can be more reasonable and have the courage and mental aptitude to actually participate in discussion.

@Greg Universe  
Of course you’re capable of doing right and point out all the wrongs. We don’t doubt you on that.
 
The real question is, why haven’t you stopped them?

@Cirrus Light
 
Feminist and egalitarian here. The two aren’t mutually-exclusive views.
 
I consider myself an egalitarian in the sense that I believe in complete equality between all people, regardless of race, gender, sexuality, gender identity, religion, etc. I am a feminist specifically as well, which I consider to be a subset of my egalitarianism.
 
And I genuinely believe that if we actually sat down and discussed what we believe about gender inequality, we’d agree on a surprising amount, despite calling ourselves different things. I’m sure we’d disagree on some points - the root cause of inequality, the best solutions to it, etc. - but I still contend that we’d see eye to eye more than you expect we would.

@Greg Universe  
And you like to strawman me by saying I’m strawmaning Liberals.
 
Them have called out the actions of people do not absolve anyone from people on thier side getting called out on their regressive hypocrisy.
 
By the way, where did I mention Liberals in that comment. I only said the types of regressives in the Google vid wouldn’t acknowledge history if it goes against their agenda.
 
 
The more I see how thin skinned Liberals are about people calling out the terrible regressive ideas of other, the less I want to be a liberal and the less I want then in positions of leadership.
 
@Cirrus Light  
Christina Hoff Summers, A.K.A. Based Mom.

@HJSDGCE
 
Why haven’t I stopped the homophobic policies of the Ugandan government? Or stopped warlords?
 
I think the only reasonable answer to a question like that is, “I can’t.” Not directly, anyway.
 
I can vote for people who best represent fairness and equality, but even then, that tends to apply only to my own country. I’m afraid I have very little control over what goes on across world.

@Greg Universe  
Oh, I don’t doubt it. I think as just about the only liberal in the thread you become the target of a fair amount of frustration that’s really just venting at liberals in general so much of it overshoots you. I’ve had the same thing happen to me (try saying “I think the genetic differences in other races are significant and race is linked to crime rate” without people accusing you of being a Nazi, however much you say that you believe that individuals should be judged solely on merit and not prejudiced for race).
 
 
@Cyborg_pony  
That’s her! Thanks.

@Cyborg_pony
 
You were responding to a response that complained about “progressives,” generally. If you were only talking about a small subset of people, rather than liberals as a whole, you didn’t make that clear.
 
…Of course, in this very post you called liberals as collective (not just me, but liberals generally) thin-skinned, so there you go.

@Greg Universe  
You know what’s really bad-A? I know a guy who was super skilled in his army unit, was on his way into the special forces, when this “stop human/child trafficking” thing came to the university.
 
I’ve always wondered how good these things do. I mean, how does talking about this stuff in a university in the U.S. actually help stop what’s happening in Uganda or Brazil? I mean, awareness helps, but doesn’t do a lot.
 
He later told me he talked to people, mentioned his position, and actually got an offer to go hands-on hunt these people down in foreign countries, no joke. Legally, working with law enforcement, mind you, but actually doing it. They use pretty brilliant strategies that I can’t really talk about, though. Just know you’re never safe if you think you can even touch (as in, participate in) that sick child-trafficking business…
 
So it is possible for first world people to actually go out and do that stuff. Most of us are a bit bullet and firefight-shy, though, and probably not in good enough shape, anyways, but it’s kind of mind-blowing to think that doing this is actually a possibility.
 
I’m content to be a scientist, though. I think trying to figure out tricks to learn about and maybe even manipulate gravity to get us to the stars is a worthy enough pursuit to pull me away from that…

@Greg Universe  
Only after of being accused of attacking Liberals. Kind of like how a lot of those people consider right-wing leaning people gun totting, beer belly, wife beating redneck that wants god taught schools, abortions illegal and women in the kitchen.

@Cirrus Light
 
I wouldn’t call you a Nazi for thinking that, but I will call you misguided and incorrect. I think it’s very easy to misread correlations and wrongly infer causality from them.
 
I am curious, though. If I’m a person of allegedly inferior genes, then regardless of my individual merit, would you not be ethically opposed to me dating ( and perhaps marrying and starting a family with) someone outside of my race? That seems to be the big hurdle that a lot of the “race determines intelligence/crime/etc.” people have trouble with, but I am curious if you have any opinions on the matter.

@Cyborg_pony  
But I do want them in the kitchen!
 
And in the classroom. And on the moon. And in the lab. And pretty much anywhere they want to be.
 

 
In any case, I’m still reeling a little bit from that reflection on that friend of mine. Next time someone comments “I wish I could just stop so-and-so!”, truth be told, if they worked at it, got in shape, learned to shoot well, did ROTC or a short contract in the military, then they probably could…

@Cyborg_pony
 
Of course, you should know that I don’t do that.
 
Search the thread top to bottom, and you’ll find that I choose my words very carefully. I make special note to say “some, but not all” when talking about certain extreme segments of the right. Not once have I ever said “Conservatives do this” or “Right-wingers do that.”
 
A few posters here certainly have casually referred to liberals as a monolithic group in this way, however. And I kinda thought the entire point of this thread - of the term “SJW,” really - was to distinguish members of the extreme, radical left from everyday garden-variety liberals. (Does the right have an equivalent to “SJW,” by the way? I’m thinking “edgelord” might be a good name for the extreme right-wingers who unfortunately make normal conservatives look bad.)

@Greg Universe  
I can think of no logical reasons to object. As I said, though, I stress that individual merits can go beyond the statistical average, so while it’s effective to use that knowledge to make general decisions (and immoral to do so in such a way that condemns someone!), decisions related to individuals, IMO should be “color-blind”.
 
And I hate to say it, but I really can’t deny a number of simple facts, like black SAT scores consistently scoring lower even in high income brackets vs. whites in low income brackets, and that components of IQ are hereditary. And I would buy the “it’s because of historical oppression” argument, but it really doesn’t fly when the Jews have been oppressed so much harder and still consistently score the highest of any demographic.
 
But to illustrate my point; I’m well aware my own ethnicity isn’t even the “most intelligent” on that average statistical basis - it’s actually 3rd or 4th or something - but that doesn’t at all effect my opinion that I’m one of the smartest people in the world :P
 
Lol, super conceited? Eh, maybe. It was just a joking way of saying how averages =/= individuals. If they did, then Neil DeGrasse Tyson wouldn’t exist, and my favorite solution to General Relativity’s Einstein Field Equations ever wouldn’t exist - the Alcubierre Metric, more popularly known as the “Alcubierre Drive”. “Alcubierre” is a hispanic name, I believe? I know Miguel is, and that was Alcubierre’s first name.
 
So it’s not even really unusual for someone to beat the statistics. It’s just that you can’t deny the existence of them just because it’s offensive. Morals should adhere to reality, perception of reality should not be falsely warped to adhere to morals. I strive to be as unbiased and objective as possible.
 
_{EDIT: The Alcubierre Metric I referred to earlier. Crazy awesome stuff. One of the greatest contributions to mankind, ever, may be from a hispanic if the thing turns out to be physically realizable - ie, you can actually make it work in reality instead of just on paper}

@Greg Universe  
Well we do use the word regressive to talk about those types as a lot as well. Like when I mention that’s the best word to use for them.
 
As for extreme Right-wingers; Edgelord isn’t that good as that just someone that thinks they’re cool, deep and “dark”. I’ve heard “Alt-right” used a lot, not sure if Stormfront qualifies.

@Cirrus Light
 
I mean, it’s a view that I still completely disagree with, but at least you don’t want actively to stop me from living my life the way I want (or stop me from being with who I want) due to my race, so… eh.
 
I still think you’re wrong, but kudos for not using your position to be one of those “Stay away from our women” (or men, I guess, since - y’know - bi) types. That is a rather common sentiment in the “race determines intelligence” camp, so despite my continued misgivings with your views, I’m glad that’s not a particular view you adhere to.

@Greg Universe  
But there’s the thing that gets me. They’re not opinions. They’re facts. You can’t just disagree with those. I guess you could disagree with my interpretation and argue it’s not due to hereditary intelligence… To note, though, it’s strongly supported in psychological science that intelligence is strongly hereditary.
 
The only real debatable point is that that’s the explanation for the lower SAT scores, but I think the example with the Jews makes it pretty clear that it can’t just be oppression that causes the lower scores, or we’d see it in the Jews as well. Slavery’s bad, but it’s not a holocaust. You could argue slavers bred it out of them - but there again, you wouldn’t still see it in actual non-American Africans, then.
 
I mean, assuming you’re not disagreeing with the “individuals should be judged by the merit of their characters and not the color of their skin” or the “color-blind” bits…

@Cirrus Light
 
I don’t think test-score discrepancies are caused by “past oppression.” I think that’s a common misconception. The discrepancy is caused by a mix of present-day environmental, economic, and cultural factors.
 
Using my own ethnicity as an example, we see that Arab standardized test scores (in America, at least) are lower than the average. Contributing factors to this include linguistic and dialectical barriers (even to second-generation students, if their family doesn’t speak English at home often), higher likelihood of poverty, and diminished availability of parents who can help children with their homework or supplement their learning away from school (due in part to poverty, which can necessitate parents working longer hours, giving them far less free time with their kids).
 
Now. Mine is a tricky situation. Both my parents were educated, and - initially - I grew up in a reasonably affluent, middle-class home. After my mother’s death, however, our family moved into a smaller house, and eventually, into a trailer to make ends meet. My father began working longer hours, as well. I was fortunate, though, in that my maternal grandparents (also both college-educated) were a constant presence in my life, and I’d often stay over with them. This strong support from a family who was deeply invested in my education gave me a head-start that many children - regardless of race - didn’t have. And I attribute much - not all, but much - of my educational success to that.
 
And as a teacher, I see the same thing in my classroom - which happens to be at a predominantly black school. The students who perform the poorest have the least involved parents; Parents that are difficult to get a hold of, parents that don’t go over their children’s work with them, parents who may have a perfectly legitimate reason (like longer work hours) to be less present, but are nonetheless not giving their child the academic support they need. The higher-performing students? Parents work with them on their homework, they respond to my calls (and sometimes, they call me), and they demonstrate a genuine interest in their child’s academic success.
 
I think this is one of the greatest and most important factors in school performance, and I’ve seen it time and time again. A home that’s invested in and encourages educational success will almost always yield a more successful student than a home that doesn’t.

@SeraphimDawn
 
Um, yeah, about that… even when fulfilling their diversity quotas, most companies do, in fact, still hire people based on merit.
 
If a woman was indeed more qualified for a job than a man who applied for the same job, and she was hired instead, then that’s still hiring based off of merit.