The Downfall of Bhaalspawn (contains possible SJW discussions)

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I compare her to Vanessa, the girl Ursula transformed into in The Little Mermaid. She tries to take something that doesn’t belong to her out of spite, almost gets away with it but then gets stabbed in the stomach in the end.
 
Let’s hope the stabbing part comes soon enough
Jas

@SpokenMind93
 
yeah Lily really does seem to be avoiding karma a lot and what is more annoying at least to me is the fact that
 
for some reason Lily Orchard is the one person that people seem to not want people to complain about. I mean sure
 
the internet is okay with you always call out MatPat though in all fairness he can be a nimrod sometimes, Mr.
 
Enter who does sometimes get angry at trivial things and sometimes be nitpicky, or Linkara who can sound like an
 
SJW from time to time to name a few but don’t you dare call out the woman who slandered Josh all because Josh
 
realized how abusive Lily was and for some reason the internet is all get a life to people calling out Lily.
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Some day karma will catch up to meet and he’ll be crying to everyone about it but no one will help.
 
Pretty much. Not even her hardcore fans would come to her defense.
 
…Well that’d be a lie. That annoying parrot that Revolution showed seems like the one to still suck up to Peet even if they’re ousted as a Pedo.
 
It’d be hilarious if it did otherwise people would avoid his lunacy.
Jas

well here are some archive links that @Bizarre Tibetan Sand Fox linked to that I feel like talking about.
 
http://archive.is/5ckJY
 
There’s a process in fandom culture where once a work has been around long enough and the fawning over the characters has finally worn out it’s welcome, they’ll almost immediately set about developing this labranthine network of lore and continuity, even if the work itself was never designed with this in mind.
Fans of Undertale will know this as “MatPat posted another video.”
Fans of Undertale will also know this as “Comically missing the point of Undertale.” - Glass of Water - Heat Sink
 
Lily from my understanding of one of your past posts you got ticked off that Undertale’s main message was killing
 
is wrong. You are the last person who should be whining about fans missing the point. Trust me some post I am
 
about to talk about relating to anime is even more of a reason to keep Lily being Lily in mind.
 
http://archive.is/vq7h2
 
anonymous asked:
I know you dismiss KLK because of the fanservice, but what you don’t get is that the show has a lot of subtle things to say about that and it’s mostly about the shame of the human body.
 
Your entire defense of Kill La Kill operates on two premises.
I haven’t bothered to look at the series 
I won’t look at the series to fact-check you 
Here’s the critical failing of your defense of Kill La Kill: Neither of those premises are true. How do you think I knew where to find that one screenshot I used in that one Glass of Water episode where I pointed out it’s central trope as needing to die?
Anime fans have been filling my ear with shit like this since I acknowledged the series existence, but I’ve already seen it and I already know that you are completely full of shit. Kill La Kill is an unapologetically misogynistic waste of fucking time with only the thin veneer of social commentary to use as a casual defense against criticism.
It might pretend to have an over-arching theme about how stripping naked will empower you, but that’s exactly what someone who makes an entire series that glorifies gawking at half-naked women like a total pervert would believe, and that’s the exact kind of excuse that an audience of perverts would swallow.
Do you think I was born yesterday?
Also, it’s not “Fanservice”, it’s “Perv Pandering.”
 
Again everyone this is the same moron who easily whines when you call out the flaws of her favorite shows Family
 
Guy and Big Bang Theory which I am also sure has tropes that people wish to die but oh wait I forget it is okay
 
to whine about anime fans fun. Yeah Lily maybe you shouldn’t be asking to have your fun when you whine about what
 
other people find fun.
 
http://archive.is/pa9dS
 
anonymous asked:
ppl are really trying to justify blatant fanservice and objectification of women with shaky reasoning of how theres a ‘‘message’’ behind all of this without realising that all the original creators were just finding a bullshit reason to draw teenage girls in skimpy costumes
 
Vocal and involved anime fans are some of the most disgusting human beings I have ever had the misfortune of dealing with.
 
Again Lily you would easily get triggered by this character. Before the link I should also point out that people
 
always seem to be thinking they know what an author is thinking because for some reason they really love saying
 
oh the author wanted to be a perv when again SJW’s get triggered by this character
 
http://bokunoheroacademia.wikia.com/wiki/Momo_Yaoyorozu
 
Then whine about misogyny even though her outfit in context has a reason to by that way. Oh and you would also
 
whine about sexulized teenage girls again even though most people aren’t going to think sexuliazion. Again you
 
also made the stoclhome fanfic which you defended to the death till Josh used it against you then suddenly it is
 
child porn
 
http://archive.is/l3abN
 
the-diary-of-alicia asked:
Why do they need an excuse? Can’t they just embrace the fanservice they clearly love?
 
They could, but that would require owning their decisions and the criticism that comes with it. And one key trait of misogynistic creators is that they can’t handle criticism and need to deflect or defang it in some way. So they reach for excuses.
 
:3 oh everyone I think Lily just admitted to being a misogynist creator. Anyway I do find it funny she is talking
 
about her self but I know she just thinks she isn’t talking about her self.
 
http://archive.is/9xd3t
 
anonymous asked:
Only asking this because I want to be a better writer, but what exactly makes Sutanu different from the “garbage anime pandering brigade”?
 
First of all, when Sutanu goes into combat, she hulks out and turns into a chitin-plated actual monster the size of a small car. So her usual attire is, appropriately, casual wear.
Additionally Sutanu’s overall personality is fun. Sutanu is not the usual bog-standard “fanservice” character largely because of my hatred for things like “tsundre” and “shy demure” characters. Sutanu is aggressive, jovial, energetic, and foul-mouthed. She’s closer to dark-fantasy Deadpool than anything else.
Also it’s worth pointing out that “Fanservice” and “Low Coverage Attire” are two very different things. take a
look at Sutanu’s design.
Despite the exposed skin, her external design is desexualized. Particularly due to the fact that she’s wearing a binder. Were this an anime character, not only would her chest be more pronounced, there would be a LOT of visible cleavage. That is not the case with Sutanu. Her body is visibly marred with scars and poisoned veins, her face is scarred in such a way as to suggest that under the blindfold are gruesome wounds to her eyes. In fact, she’s even posed in such a way as to suggest that she’s about to kick your ass.
Sutanu is a sexual character, but in a black comedy “drunken braggart” sense than a pure titillation sense. She’s a comedy character, and very little thought has been put toward pure sex appeal. In fact, Sutanu crosses the line to being gross at times, something that’s never seen in female characters with high sexuality.
Yeah it’s possible to find Sutanu attractive regardless if you just like that kind of woman or you’re a freakazoid who likes monsters, but she’s a type of character that no Japanese animation studio would even think to design because she is guaranteed to kill the boners of lonely otakus.
 
XD okay everyone please right click this link before commenting because Lily really shows how she doesn’t
 
understand how Otakus or any human being works. Because her OC Sutanu I can easily see giving some people making
 
rule 34 drawings of. I mean come on Lily people make rule 34 of the Hetalia cast and they are just the human
 
forms of all the countries in the world. Oh and Lily remember that loli and shota are a thing
 
if people make rule 34 drawings of even those characters then your OC could easily have rule 34 made of
 
her………Man isn’t it funny how Lily was saying sexist creators will find any excuse they can to defang
 
criticisms of their characters and yet look at Lily. Someone please tell me what point I might of missed to make.
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Is Peet really trying to defend MatPat of all people. The reason people hate the bastard is because it’s made cleae he doesn’t JOKE AROUND, that he’s fucking serious about his “THEORIES”, hence why the Undertale one is infamously ridiculed.
Jas

@SpokenMind93
 
no it is her fangirling over Adagio and making jabs at Silver Quill and her having the gall to again beg for fun when she demonizes anime and video game fans
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So Lily likes Flurry Heart. Not sure how to feel about it as I also love Flurry, but it doesn’t really make me think any better of her. Though I do think it’s interesting that she defended her.
Jas

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well other then the frist episode she appeared in. I never really saw people complain about Flurry Heart all that
 
much and it just made Lily look like she was blowing the dislike at Flurry out of proportion. Though I like
 
Flurry since she is adorable. I also find it funny that Lily’s edgy OC Lord Ryder is scared of a baby. The same
 
OC who could somehow defeat an anime character but is scared of a baby.
Jas

Here is something Lily related that Bizarre linked to from the archive website.
 
http://archive.is/Aax3Y
 
lily-orchard
There’s a process in fandom culture where once a work has been around long enough and the fawning over the characters has finally worn out it’s welcome, they’ll almost immediately set about developing this labranthine network of lore and continuity, even if the work itself was never designed with this in mind.
Fans of Undertale will know this as “MatPat posted another video.”
Fans of Undertale will also know this as “Comically missing the point of Undertale.” - Glass of Water - Heat Sink
 

hopenichole
Well, matpat only did 4 episodes about Undertale and only three of those were really theories about it. One was about the pope. If you were going to make a joke about matpat, I’d probably use Five Nights at Freddy’s as an example
 

left4cake-gaming
Thats not quite the point of the joke in this context. Especially since FNaF is a game designed to obsesse over the lore, While Undertale focus on a single story about the Underground.
 

cross-reviews
This.
Undertale is a game about choices and how those choices affect those around you. This is reflected in the various different endings based on who lives or dies, who you chose to hang out with, and other little elements. What does the fandom do?
Obsess over a non-entity that is mentioned less than 1% of the time.
Obsess over a child that made some clear cut and dry choices and try to paint them as some serial killer.
Obsess over another child who has no agency or behavior outside of what the player instructs them to do but try to paint them as a saint who would never harm a fly, despite having to kill two characters no matter the playthrough.
Obsess over a joke character who doesn’t care one bit about what happens because of how the game itself works.
Create thousands upon thousands of alternate universes to rearrange, reimagine, and maybe even completely rewrite characters and story elements, often with little creativity. Seriously, a universe where everyone is a massive evil dick is not fun, it’s boring.
 

left4cake-gaming
Well… The original everyone is an evil dick AU was actually kinda interesting because it was specifically exploring the question of “What do you do if you encounter someone who doesn’t deserve to be spared?” however the fandom kept copying and pasting that idea without actually understanding the question it was asking. Much like they do with original game.
 

cross-reviews
That question was already posed to the player in the main game with Flowey.
Flowey does nothing redeemable in the story. He tricks you into getting hurt, tries to kill you, stalks you on multiple occasions, supposedly hires Muffet to kill you (debateable), and ultimately dashes your only hope of getting home by shattering Asgore’s soul. Then he transforms into an ungodly abomination with the sole intent of torturing and killing you countless times for nothing but shits and giggles.
Flowey is THE prime example of someone in Undertale who absolutely deserves to die.
 

left4cake-gaming
That’s true… If you don’t ever play a True Pacifist Ending.
While any of the Neutral ending do keep the choice to kill Flowey true to the message. The True Labs expection and the fleshed out back story then ties the most unredamable character to the character who’s most deservent of a happy ending but can never have one. Witch one doesn’t really redem flowey and also you have to make the choice to spare him BEFOR all this without the game really doing anything to justify spearing him.
 

cross-reviews
Here’s where things get interesting.
Yes, the True Pacifist path and ending reveal that Flowey is Asriel reincarnated. So, Flowey’s actions are Asriel’s actions. Now the question becomes “Is Asriel justified?”
In my initial Pacifist run i chose to forgive Asriel, but upon reflection i don’t know of i should have. First things first, when Asriel gets his body back, his first course of action is to attack and try to kill Frisk. This is a direct parallel to the Omega Flowey fight: he wants to kill you, reset, and toy with Frisk for all eternity. He doesn’t care that he had to kill and absorb the souls of literally every monster in the Underground to do so. As long as it helps him kill Frisk and control time, he will gladly kill them all.
Even initially when he is reminded of Chara and starts getting his emotions back, he gives an all out desperation attack to try and finish Frisk off. It’s only after that fails that he turns back to normal and apologizes.
Also, let’s not forget that Asriel does not find his actions redeemable. He flat out says that there’s no excuse for what he’s done and is surprised if Frisk forgives him. Even then he chooses to stay in the underground, knowing that when he turns back into Flowey it will be better for everyone for him to be as far away from them as possible. He’s dangerous and he knows it.
Is it right for us to forgive someone for being a literal monster, if they don’t even forgive themselves? Staying underground is the consequence that Asriel gives himself for his killing sprees. What right do we have to judge him differently?
 

lily-orchard
Don’t you have anything better to do?
 
Wow Lily and that cross-reviews person really seem to be people who don’t like fans doing things that do nothing to harm them in anyway or fans who love things they don’t love.
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