The Downfall of Bhaalspawn (contains possible SJW discussions)

Jas

hauntedyouthwonderland asked:
Would you agree with the criticism that Stockholm!Ascentia is too adored by the rest of the characters and rarely ever faces criticism?
lily-peet answered:
Oh hell no. We put Asy through a lot of unsubtle shit from nearly everyone around her.
Sure, while the other characters are more than happy to dote on Ascentia for being adorable and constantly drag her into bedrooms for intimate time, they’ve shown nothing but outright contempt for nearly every decision she’s made throughout the story.
Think about it for a minute. Ascentia was abused physically, emotionally, and sexually by Twilight for years, but makes the conscious decision to endure it on the hopes that she can get Twilight into proper help. This decision pays off and she is successful in doing so.
However, despite that decision working, nearly everyone around her universally declares her to be insane and are constantly erasing the sheer amount of effort and stubbornness she put into it. With an almost casual disregard, too.
Rainbow, Fluttershy, Cielle, Applejack, Rarity, even Sunrise.
“Young lady, do I look like I have ‘gullible’ stamped across my face?” Ascentia snarled. 

Sunrise glanced over the scars littering her mother’s face like a constellation map, “…Is this a trick question?” 
Even Twilight minimizes her efforts through her constant need to reiterate how she didn’t deserve Ascentia’s forgiveness and how Ascentia was “nuts” to push through it.
The only person who DOESN’T do this is Night Light, who expressed a deep gratitude to Ascentia for what she did for Twilight, and admitted that if it weren’t for her his daughter would probably be dead. Incidentally, Night Light is Ascentia’s favorite person in Twilight’s family and has taken to calling him “Dad.”
Ascentia is overall a very headstrong, stubborn woman who will tear tooth and nail through any obstacle in her way even if it kills her. But she’s treated like a diminutive, battered, mental patient by those closest to her. She’s treated less like the person she IS, and more like the person that statistics say she SHOULD be.
The reality is that the other characters treat Ascentia far worse than they treat genuine scumbags by constantly minimizing and erasing what is, in all honesty, a very impressive and laudable feat.
There’s been a common criticism of this arc from people who have their heads on straight that the way Ascentia deals with her wife’s abuse is a massive anomaly from what is typically presented. Ascentia admits that there’s a problem and doesn’t make excuses for Twilight, but at the same time adamantly refuses to give up asserting that “this shit will not beat me.”
And when it’s all said and done, she seems to be suffering very little negative effects from it. She gets incredibly agitated and anxious if someone other than Twilight calls her “Kitten”, but that’s nowhere near the meltdown that Twilight herself will exhibit if someone utters the phrase “You know better than to hide from Mommy.”
The reason for this is because we didn’t want to be accurate. There wasn’t much value to be gained from portraying a statistically accurate version of domestic abuse. I’ve talked at length before about how that sucks all the humanity out of a story, but it’s also because there’s nothing really to say about domestic abuse. It’s bad, and the people who try to defend it are monsters.
That objectivity meant that there was something more interesting in telling a very unconventional story with a very unconventional dynamic. It’s still condemns abuse, Twilight does eventually get better after all. And the unfortunate implication of Ascentia’s endurance implying that survivors of domestic abuse are somehow weak was caught pretty early and mitigated by highlighting just how ridiculous her ability to absorb pain actually is (Two heart transplants and casually shrugs off bullet wounds among many other things).
This arc doesn’t have anything philosophical to say. It’s just a story about two people. Two complex people that takes the reader on a crazy ride, but at the end of the day it really is that simple.
Knob: You can’t talk about conservatives like that! It’s so mean and rude!
Me: Well you’ve said many times that you hate “political correctness”, so suck it up.
michelle-kastrilevich asked:
So, my American studies teacher is always trying to push the “understanding the enemy” philosophy. This lead to him assign the class to write an essay defending Jim crow laws in order to learn about “Why did people vote for this” This got me thinking, is it worth it to understand the enemies?
lily-peet answered:
Yes it is worth it.
However, your teacher is making the mistake of assuming we don’t already understand the kind of people who voted for Jim Crow laws: The Klan, the ignorant citizens who believed lies told to them about black people, the socially conservative, and the downright stupid.
You don’t need to pretend to defend Jim Crow laws to do this. Racism has been a focal point of the United States since it’s founding. Pretending that we don’t already understand people like the Klan, the GOP, Neo Nazis, and Conservatives is dishonest at best, and willfully ignorant at worst
Your teacher is making the same mistake that Moderates™ are making in assuming that this is some new breed of racism that we have yet to understand. We do understand them. That’s why we’ve come to the conclusion that they need to die.
My suggestion: Explain the reasoning behind Jim Crow laws, and then immediately condemn it. Just because a lot of people voted for a law doesn’t mean the law is ever going to be a good idea. A lot of people voted for Donald Trump. Electing him was still a terrible idea.
Jas

the-sonicjester asked:
I don’t get comparing Libertarians to Conservatives most Libertarians including the group from collage say its the opposite “in a Libertarian society institutional Racism and Sexism and shit like wage gaps would not exist and LGBT rights would go unhindered the government would not be allowed to regulate marriage and gender change” and most i talk to just say the government should worry about keeping the country safe and stay out of people’s business unless absolutely necessary like horrid crime
lily-peet answered:
In a libertarian society, everything is privatized and very little is government funded. Look at the shitshow that is the US health care crisis. Now multiply that times a thousand. That’s a libertarian society.
I want less capitalism. Not more.
Osean-Kitty

De meows
@Jas  
The fact that Jerry thinks that less capitalismis a good idea is wrong. Because if there is just one company that controls everything, whats going to stop said company from charging ridiculously high prices for the product or service that they offer and whats the guarantee that it will be good quality. Monopolies are a horrible thing because there is either no competition or the other competitors are insignificant enough that they don’t cause an impact.
 
Sure the government can inforce regulations, but whats going to stop the company with a monopoly from bribing them?
Jas

@Derped
 
we are talking about the same person who thinks that telling people to kill all Republicans on a public Website
 
is a good idea. I should also add that Peet also thinks that no Electoral Collage is a good thing because four
 
big cities should totally be how things work because in Peet’s mind the EC helped Trump win even though it is
 
the fault of people like Peet.
Background Pony #E474
@Jas  
I don’t like Jerry anymore than you do, but your comment about the electoral college makes no sense. Unless the four biggest cities contain the majority of the population, they wouldn’t decide the election if the electoral college didn’t exist. And even if they did contain a majority of the population, why shouldn’t the majority be the ones who decide the president? Isn’t that the whole point of voting? CGP Gray made a Great video on the subject and he explained it much better than I did.
Jas

Anonymous asked:
Do you have any optimism left for America?
lily-peet answered:
Actually, yes.
Americans are kinda stupid in that most of them don’t understand how their government works, and believe the President to be an elected Autocrat. The GOP exploited this to paint all their obstructionism and pussyfooting as President Obama being ineffective.
They can’t do that anymore.
I’ve said this many times and I’ll say it again. The people who benefit most from liberal policies and suffer the most from conservative policies are the working-class, rust-belt people who overwhelmingly voted for Trump out of vague promises of “Jerbs.”
So when the GOP strips them of their health care, destroys the social assistance keeping them afloat, and plunges them further into poverty to make their corporate buddies wealthier, they’re not going to have anyone left to blame.
This, combined with the already pissed off urban citizens, LGBT people who will likely see more of their rights stripped from them, and racial minorities who are going to become even bigger targets, will likely lead to this being the very last straw. People will stop pretending to play nice. You’re going to see people showing a violent intolerance toward conservatism. They will have had enough of the GOP’s bullshit.
Make noise. Make a lot of noise. Don’t stop making noise. Don’t let Republican politicians get a moment’s peace or sleep. Beat that “dead horse” until it’s made of glue.
People who benefit from the status quo will always try to weaponize silence, with cries to “stop whining” to “drop it” or to “get over it” or to “let them know when all this political nonsense is over.” Don’t let them do that. Don’t make yourself easy to ignore just so the people on top can feel comfortable.
 
Well everyone you heard the lady keep on complaining about SJW’s and Radical Feminist.
 
http://falcon-edge-wolf.tumblr.com/post/156040715643/so-if-the-cutie-map-is-supposed-to-be-a-criticism
 
So if The Cutie Map is supposed to be a criticism of Cultural Marxism, that would mean that the writers are spouting Nazi propaganda to children. And considering that most of the writers admitted to basing the town itself off the Nazis and Fascism, it would be strange to be both criticizing the Nazis and simultaneously preaching in support of them.
Glass of Water - On Your Marx (via lily-peet)
 
Is it just me or is Peet once again finding things that aren’t there
Background Pony #3AE3
@Jas
 
So if The Cutie Map is supposed to be a criticism of Cultural Marxism, that would mean that the writers are spouting Nazi propaganda to children. And considering that most of the writers admitted to basing the town itself off the Nazis and Fascism, it would be strange to be both criticizing the Nazis and simultaneously preaching in support of them.
 
I just… what? How the fuck do you come to that… conclusion?
 
So the writers ADMIT that the Town is based off Fascism. Yet… somehow you also say they’re preaching how good it is to young kids?
 
How the fuck do you make that kind of leap? Oh wait I know: Because Lily in her contrarian mind has to be right on all her opinions so therefore everyone else is dumb.
 
Here’s a thought Lily: Ever think they based the Town on Fascism to show how dangerous it is? Y’know, JUST criticizing it and not showing support of them?
 
Jesus christ, as if she couldn’t get any crazier. She honestly thinks that if you equate the Town to fascism you’re saying that it would be teaching support of nazism to kids? This is got to be a whole new level of false equivalency.
Jas

@Background Pony #4A46
 
your talking about Peet here the same woman who whines about anime and video game makers making sexy women first
 
before coming up with reason why their armor is the way it is. But then during a TMI Tuesday showed the world
 
her panties because someone asked if she was wearing panties. Also if what Derped linked to is true then
 
Lizzy is trying to force Peet to have SRS at her request and Peet is just ignoring the peoples concerns for her.
deactivated612ceb

@Jas  
@Background Pony #4A46 if what Derped linked to is true then Lizzy is trying to force Peet to have SRS at her request and Peet is just ignoring the peoples concerns for her.
 
Wrong.  
Lizzy doesn’t want Jerry to get SRS.  
People express their concern and say that it’s abuse.  
Jerry shuts them out.
 
Honestly, I feel like Jerry turning on Lizzy is inevitable.
Osean-Kitty

De meows
@JaeD53
 
@Jas  
To repeat what I said on kiwi if peet’s and lizzy’s relationship goes south:
 
He’ll probably start to physically assault her if she starts to turn on him. At least.
Jas

@CrassMetalHead
 
nope here is what she had to say about America.
 
 
Anonymous asked:
Do you have any optimism left for America?
lily-peet answered: 

Actually, yes. 

Americans are kinda stupid in that most of them don’t understand how their government works, and believe the President to be an elected Autocrat. The GOP exploited this to paint all their obstructionism and pussyfooting as President Obama being ineffective. 

They can’t do that anymore. 

I’ve said this many times and I’ll say it again. The people who benefit most from liberal policies and suffer the most from conservative policies are the working-class, rust-belt people who overwhelmingly voted for Trump out of vague promises of “Jerbs.” 

So when the GOP strips them of their health care, destroys the social assistance keeping them afloat, and plunges them further into poverty to make their corporate buddies wealthier, they’re not going to have anyone left to blame. 

This, combined with the already pissed off urban citizens, LGBT people who will likely see more of their rights stripped from them, and racial minorities who are going to become even bigger targets, will likely lead to this being the very last straw. People will stop pretending to play nice. You’re going to see people showing a violent intolerance toward conservatism. They will have had enough of the GOP’s bullshit. 

Make noise. Make a lot of noise. Don’t stop making noise. Don’t let Republican politicians get a moment’s peace or sleep. Beat that “dead horse” until it’s made of glue. 

People who benefit from the status quo will always try to weaponize silence, with cries to “stop whining” to “drop it” or to “get over it” or to “let them know when all this political nonsense is over.” Don’t let them do that. Don’t make yourself easy to ignore just so the people on top can feel comfortable.
Vortaxonus

@Jas
Pretty sure she did, i tried to do a riff on it in kiwi and a bunch of idiots thought i was an idiot and things like “#likeicareDoesItAgain” and “lurk, don’t post” were posted and i have to delete shit and rename some accounts to clear my trail, but let’s do one here, so prepare for a long one:
“The crucial difference is that South Park is made of that nonsense. It has an over-celebrated “Every side of every issue is the same and people who take stances on things are stupid” mentality because the creators are apathetic libertarians who hate “change” in all it’s forms.”
Preferable to the “The other side is 100% evil if they disagree with you, kill them with full force and no empathy or understanding” approach to things. I would rather not do anything then go into a situation where my participation would only escalate the problem, and issue that the military in the war on terror, Black Lives Matter, and Feminists fail to learn time and time again.
“Seth MacFarlane is an ally. A dumb, clumsy, ally who needs constant supervision, but an ally who is more than eager to use his privileged position to further good things.”
Or not, as he often can’t read the problem right, miss the point, and unintentionally fuck up at the thing he’s trying to do. Also, why the fuck would you have a clumsy ally like Seth around, while you could have more competent and resonable allies like Lauren Faust or Lewis Lovhaug.
“I imagine anyone dumb enough to take that seriously probably needs help working the remote, let alone be capable of tuning in to Family Guy and paying attention long enough to take such an obvious status-quo revert seriously. Family Guy doesn’t push lessons unless they’re blatantly obvious (Gay marriage is good, faith healing is bad, vaccinate your fucking kids) because the understanding between the creators and the audience is that the Griffins are dicks.”
STATUS QUO REVERT!!!! You excusing such a disgusting message about DOMESTIC ABUSE over such a bullshit thing. Especially since family guy seems to cling onto the status quo for 15 season (or about 15 years), Which brings us to screams of silence.
“Screams of Silence wasn’t accurate to domestic abuse? I’ve talked before about how “accurate” and “good” are two different things and that abuse stories fundamentally fail if they’re more concerned about matching statistics than telling a story.”
This is too stupid for words. It’s need of a paragraph. Not only does he simplify an issue to statistics, which Mr.Enter himself avoided due to said statistics being distorted or misused in way to prove a point. Also, Being inaccurate in this type of situation would insult the people it’s meant to root for. Also, somebody please tell me a bad, yet accurate depiction of abuse in media because I’m pretty sure if it’s accurate it’s a pretty good indicator of the talent of the writers and thus the quality of said media. Also, quality-wise, screams of silence is nothing but a guy punching a women around in a comedic manner, muddying up the message by the way, filled with pointless gags and filler.
“Nobody’s ever really been able to give me a convincing argument as to why Family Guy is so terrible.”
Maybe because you’ll never listen or is too arrogant to be convinced.
“The attitude toward Seth MacFarlane is almost an inverse of the attitude people take toward Lauren Faust and Rebecca Sugar. People believe MacFarlane to be Satan himself, while Faust and Sugar are goddesses of talent and art.”
Okay maybe Lauren wasn’t too great, but looking at her catalog deems a impressive sight, with 11 films credited to her, 7 tv shows, and is a video game developer as of recent.
While Seth has really only 2 television shows, one of which is a spin-off of the other, and a web series of 50 shorts. That’s it aside 3 movies that has mixed reveiws, 3 albums, one of which is a cover album of chrismass songs.
Hell, Racheal has a better resume compared to him, with 10 films, 21 television series (including Family guy and Powerpuff girls), 8 video games (two of which are starcraft expansions)
Comparing Rebecca Sugar to Seth is cheating since he’s been working on hanabarbara cartoons long before adventure time, let alone steven universe.
“Again, demonizing Family Guy for something one would then turn around and praise South Park for”
Maybe because south park actually does it right while Family guy misused it or just end up fucking it up.
“‘The cutaways are too random’ or ‘it’s all for shock value’…the cutaways are still funny, so get over yourself. The show is geared more toward slapstick, gags, and socio-political humor than ‘shock’”
  1. Even if their funny, it’s still too out of nowhere and generally ends up clogging the plot into a mess. 2. If Brian getting run over a car is slapstick and not shock humor, then south park is the cleanest show on adult swim. Also, i have to ask what’s your definition of ‘shock humor’.
“To make a comparison: Family Guy is the stand up comedian telling jokes about how his wife takes too long to get dressed and always demands help killing spiders, while South Park is Daniel Tosh laughing at the idea of a woman walking out of his show being gang-raped.”
Wait, what, danial tosh, i’ve never heard you bringing him up before. Also, the comedian is talking about poisonous spiders (which be purposely never kills), and his wife is beaten up too bad (by the husband) to dress up efficiently.
 
I actually forgot to mention one little ‘joke’ from Family Guy about Meg giving advice on suicide. Honestly i don’t get the joke, and Seth himself says that FG was aimed at a teen audience. Again, this is like by the same guy who thought that DPDOMS was an insult to those with depression and issue with self-harm. Seriously. I wonder why Peet hasn’t given up on the show right, then, and there.
 
I wonder why nobody, not even on Kiwi Farms, pointed this out till now.
Jas

@Vortaxonus
 
at this rate I am at the point where I just want replace Lily’s normal voice in my mind with the Superboy Primes voice that Linkara did for Superboy Prime.
Vortaxonus

@Jas  
Nah, i think the superboy prime voice sounds too mature. I think a better voice would be Jar Jar Binks, at least it has a bit of irony about it. I can also imagine him as a Sith Lord when the theory about Binky Boy comes true.
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