Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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@tehwatever  
I admit I also took it at face value when I read it. Maybe next time you’d better punctuate your sarcasm with a “/s”, if you wish to avoid incurring the risk to fall victim of Poe’s law.
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@Violet Rose in The Rain  
So what happening in Venezuela is total because of US intervention? Certainly doesn’t seem like it. Would the USSR Collapsing and China seemingly abandoning most aspects of socialism have anything to do with American espionage? Sorry, but you can’t blame all of the failures of socialism on the US. Sometimes some Ideologies just don’t work, at least not in this era. Maybe if we have robots doing everything for us sometime in the future it’ll be a thing, but I don’t know enough about future possibilities to tell.
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Well then what do you think it would be a better system? Socialism didn’t work.
 
And yet it was “Socialist” programs like the New Deal and Minimum Wage that not only dragged America out of the Great Depression but sent us into a decades long “Golden Age of Economic Prosperity”. A period that only ended when Reagan began cutting those same programs and benefits and introduced the concept of Trickle Down Economics.
 
A system that lead us into the Great Recession and our current economic turmoil.
 
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@AaronMk
Plus, while rich people get a lot of pay, they’re also often the ones that usually gained their job from the ground like everybody else or were the fouders that had to make a lot of invertion to make it work in a high risk high reward situation. If you don’t compete, then you can’t get the huge pays for yourself.
 
Over 40% of all wealth in this country is inherited. And the majority of that isn’t from a McDonald cashier leaving junior some money on his deathbed.
 
Even then Reps are in a sweaty tryhard desperation to get rid of the Estate Tax - a law that only affects at most around 18,000 of the richest people in the country. All the Estate Tax does is exactly what it says: if your property is worth a certain amount (an amount that, again, only effects 18,000~ people) then it’s taxed upon shifting ownership to your children.
 
This is a game of Monopoly that has been going on for over 200 years. The winners have already been established and there’s a reason why 80% of the national wealth is hoarded by 1% of the population.
 
@Twi Clown  
Well, yeah indeed. Of course, that is if you invert it instead of making an ass of yourself, though some guys like Trump just can seems to run out of money, on the other hand Trump is more of an enemy of free market who wants to apply his “American first” motto.
 
Trump is a walking example of many reasons why our economic (and political and sociological and-) system is a failure. A man born into so much wealth that decades of astounding stupidity and incompetence that he can still be a billionaire Maybe. There’s a reason he fights tooth and nail to keep his tax returns a secret. despite breaking records for amount of money he loses.
 
“Free Market” says that Trump should’ve been one of the over half a million homeless population years ago. But he’s not. Relatedly, about 40% of the homeless population has a job. But they can’t afford a house anyway. Because “Free Market” or “Bootstraps” or something.
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@AaronMk  
Hm…gonna read the whole article. Sounds interesting.
 
Okay, so the clerics reasoned that trans are basically just switching body parts, so it’s still within the “male-female” marriage technically. That’s still within orthodoxy.
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I’m going to write an op ed on how collectivism is actually a widely accepted southern staple and folks just don’t seem to realize it.
 
You describe collectivist principles to any random guy in the country and he’ll say it’s just common sense. But the moment you call it collectivism, or worse socialism, and then they react poorly.
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@Zincy  
What do you mean exactly? Last time i checked the south doesn’t exactly support any kind of socialism, not the economic parts of it at least.
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In Vino Veritas
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The culture down here is highly collective. From a micro level at least. For all the talk of “rugged individualism” very few people round these parts do things alone.
 
Folks work together, typically for very little incentive.
 
The example I used is when someone wants to dig a pond, or move something, we all get our friends, family, and neighbors to get it done.
 
The problem that Dems have is they pitch collectivism as some high and mighty “save the world” and all that jazz.
 
Folks down here don’t care about that. They care about how it’ll affect them, their family, and their friends. If they just pitched it as working together to make the community better, you’d get more hands up.
 
Appeal to the community level. It’s a small change, but I’ve seen it work in person.
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In Vino Veritas
@ExtreVile
 
Polling indicates that Trump is running much weaker there than Republicans should.
 
It matches recent demographic shifts in the Texas population that indicate that ruby red Texas might start becoming purple.
 
A lot of pollsters agree that if Texas goes swing, the GoP is in deep shit.
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@ExtreVile
 
Yes and no.
 
It’s a big, stable chunk of votes that the GoP relies on to take pressure off having to clinch states like Virginia and formerly Pennsylvania and other Rust Belt states.
 
They can win without it, but with places like VA moving more blue, it puts them at great political risk. Especially if 2020 reveals that the Dems have rebuilt even part of the “Blue Wall” that once stood in the Rust Belt.
 
Given how Trump is polling in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Pennsylvania…that is looking likely.
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@Zincy  
Individualism and collectivism go hand in hand. Is another factor for why southerners tend to reject socialism a distrust of dictates from people in power?
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So what happening in Venezuela is total because of US intervention?
 
Yes. Finally, someone has been paying attention.
 
Due to their slashing of oil prices in competition with the UAE, (Or cooperation, I can hardly tell anymore.) Venezuela was deeply and severely hurt since their main export consisted of oil. That alone would have crippled any country, regardless of being Socialist or Capitalist.
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@Violet Rose in The Rain  
I was being sarcastic. Honestly, I doubt that, if anything the people of Venezuela blame the socialist dictator of their country for that, it’s the fault of the socialists in power and their aggressive actions. Like I said, you can’t blame the faults and failures of socialism solely on the US. When it comes to socialism, your simply swapping one wealthy corporate elite for another wealthy political elite. Think about it, rather it be through corporate means or taxes(Which socialism relies on), you’re still giving your money away to someone.
 
While socialism has failed many times in many attempts and while Capitalism is not perfect, it is an already built-in system that can be improved on and made better for all of us, Gen Z has already been shown to be far more in favour of capitalism
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