Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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America isn’t off the hook either. Look at our failed welfare programs. The beginning of the massive failure that is socialism.
 
America is suppose to be the land of the free. We’re ranked like 20 something in economic and personal freedom.
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Oh I’m looking at our welfare and unions and such. I’m noticing how not only are they overwhelmingly popular, but our economy was at its highest when they were at both their most plentiful and strong. And noticeably our economy has continually suffered around the years where welfare programs are cut or union bargaining power is hamstrung.
 
But I’m sure it’s a coincidence.
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12th.
 
We’re rated 12th. Hong Kong, Singapore, NZ, and Switzerland make up the top 4.
 
Followed by Ireland, Canada, and the UK.
 
A wide and diverse mix of economies and political systems.
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The Polish once again prove to be a national equivalent to a floater in a toilet bowl.
 
Our Ambassador to Poland sent out tweets for Passover and Easter, the polacks decided it was a great offense to their historically Nazi loving asses that Jews should even be mentioned within their borders. Prompting everyone from common citizens to heads of state shouting various versions of “them damn Jews”.
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They know he was born one, then John baptised him and some time later “the jews” chose to have him killed, for his insolence and trading him for a thief.
 
In general, though, it’s not worth much to try to figure out what morons truly believe.
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If you live in a country where the government can expropriate your land and steal your money, you live in a socialist country.
 
Venezuela is in terrible shape.
 
It’s been in terrible shape for a long time. It has been having these exact same crises for many decades.
 
In ‘99 Hugo Chavez was elected on the back of a left-populist movement, and enacted a series of reforms - nationalizations, welfare programs, etc. Lots of great social-democratic policies.
 
His rhetoric went even further; by what he said, he was building socialism. By what he did, he was building social democracy and (maybe) breaking out of Venezuela’s cycle of extreme corruption, military coups, and economic subservience to the US.
 
But meanwhile, Venezuela’s economy continued to be entirely fueled by oil sales. Chavez increased this dependency, as his predecessors had, and when global oil prices fell, the modern crisis started.
 
There is in economics a concept known as Dutch Disease. From Wikipedia:
 
In economics, the Dutch disease is the apparent causal relationship between the increase in the economic development of a specific sector (for example natural resources) and a decline in other sectors (like the manufacturing sector or agriculture). The putative mechanism is that as revenues increase in the growing sector (or inflows of foreign aid), the given nation’s currency becomes stronger (appreciates) compared to currencies of other nations (manifest in an exchange rate). This results in the nation’s other exports becoming more expensive for other countries to buy, and imports becoming cheaper, making those sectors less competitive. While it most often refers to natural resource discovery, it can also refer to “any development that results in a large inflow of foreign currency, including a sharp surge in natural resource prices, foreign assistance, and foreign direct investment”.[1]
 
Venezuela’s oil riches have led to the rest of the economy being highly underdeveloped. In 2014, the market price of oil absolutely plummeted, and with it took Venezuela.
 
The short version is this: Chavez and Maduro did not put Venezuela on a different economic path than where it had been for most of a century. It had always been hyperreliant on oil and thus prone to recession and inflation.
 
Socialism has nothing to do with it, and also Venezuela isn’t all that socialist.
 
Venezuela’s economy is 70% private, so it doesn’t have a socialist economy. What it does have is nationalized oil, which when the prices were high, were used to pay for social welfare programs. It’s worth being said that before the socialist party was elected and nationalized oil, the standards of living were much worse under the neoliberal government.
 
Upon the implementation of social democratic policy, conditions have improved, which is why Chavez especially, along with Maduro, are popular among Venezuelans. Venezuela is simply a capitalist country which started nationalizing oil/other industries in an effort to improve the citizens’ lives, resulting in wealthy corporations sabotaging their economy, the U.S. sanctioning them, and then finally when the oil crash of 2013 hit, their social welfare systems collapsed. With that collapse, the U.S. is giving explicit support for a coup in Venezuela and literally saying that the oil would make a great asset to U.S. businesses so they want to privatize it. It’s nothing short of imperialism, and media tends to push a heavy imperialist bias.
 
Noam Chomsky wrote an entire book called Manufacturing Consent outlining propaganda in the U.S. media about foreign policy, and how it almost unilaterally supports imperialism.
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Why not help me out and post some links showing it’s not as common as I think?
 
Here’s a useful graph to keep handy for the next time Fox News airs a report about food stamp users buying lobster with their benefits.
This month, the Bureau of Labor Statistics compared yearly spending between families that use public assistance programs, such as food stamps and Medicaid, and families that don’t. And surprise, surprise, households that rely on the safety net lead some pretty frugal lifestyles. On average, they spend $30,582 in a year, compared to $66,525 for families not on public assistance. Meanwhile, they spend a third less on food, half as much on housing, and 60 percent less on entertainment.
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Source.
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I’d think welfare would be better. There’s plenty of people with decent savings that don’t really need extra money. With the same budgets welfare programs can give more to the poorer that need help the most. Just make sure the welfare payouts decrease gradually with income rather than an immediate cutoff.
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The Polish once again prove to be a national equivalent to a floater in a toilet bowl.
Our Ambassador to Poland sent out tweets for Passover and Easter, the polacks decided it was a great offense to their historically Nazi loving asses that Jews should even be mentioned within their borders. Prompting everyone from common citizens to heads of state shouting various versions of “them damn Jews”.
And yet they have the most Righteous Among the Nations medals. Go figure, eh?
 
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I’d honestly like to see the UBI given a shake to see how it plays out in the long term. It can’t be any worse than what we’ve got now…though I am concerned about both the “college textbook” issue (basically prices raise because people can afford it now) and the wage-price spiral with regards to negative externalities.
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