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That’s because it’s free.
 
So people who got it likes it more than people who paid for theirs and therefore would probably defend their purchase because of a sunk cost fallacy.
 
Medicare recipients must really like their coverage then.
 
Oh gosh getting a job is so hard woe is me.
 
Speaking from experience yes. And only for reasons that basically amount to “I knew the manager”.
 
And the benefits suck. So forgive me is I’m not too receptive to the ‘bootstrap’ victim-blaming deflection.
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Victim of what, exactly? Your own incompetence? I’m tired of hearing excuses. How about instead of making up excuses why you can’t do something, actually try, and keep trying, and say YES, you can do it. I will do it. Try and stop me.
 
Losers make excuses. Winners make it happen.
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Nixon created (begrudgingly) the EPA, ended the draft, made steps to address income inequality, lowered the voting age, and did manage to lower the deficit without cutting too much federal spending.
 
Just because he was a massive asshole doesn’t mean he was the most terrible.
 
Bush Jr. had a few high points, like opening up the Forex market, expanding veterans benefits, and other odds and ends.
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Nixon also started the pointless war on drugs, was involved in the watergate scandal. The EPA was a good thing though because we need environmental regulations.
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My family and I likely makes more money than you’ll ever see in your life Kyle, having worked our way from the bottom to the top.  
With that note, I believe you’re being callous.
 
Yes, some people are lazy, and that cannot be helped. Some people, however, require assistance in order to get on stable enough footing.
 
We should help these people.
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If healthcare HAS to be paid for, like a smartphone, it should at least cost less. That shit’s expensive, and it’s not like most people have the funds to pay for a $2000 dollar hospital trip when they can’t afford healthcare to begin with. You have a broken leg which healed incorrectly and now you can’t walk? You have a brain hemorrhage? Go see a doctor. Oh, you can’t afford to pay? Die then.
 
If you’re able to, then applying for a job with benefits is a good idea. I’ll give you that. But it’s not like you’ll be hired. There’s always a chance they could turn you down. But what if you physically/mentally cannot work and are disabled in some way? What if, for some reason, you aren’t approved for SSDI and still can’t afford healthcare on your own? What then?
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So people who got it likes it more than people who paid for theirs and therefore would probably defend their purchase because of a sunk cost fallacy.
 
Are you actually suggesting there’s no difference in the quality of coverage between private insurance and government subsidized healthcare? Because that’s flat out wrong. I’ve used both systems, I know the difference. I have experienced it, FIRST HAND. And let me tell you, the difference is NIGHT and DAY.
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My family and I likely makes more money than you’ll ever see in your life Kyle, having worked our way from the bottom to the top.
With that note, I believe you’re being callous.
 
Yeah, and? So? That’s a good thing, good for you. I don’t know why you’re throwing shade my way, kinda sounds like you’re agreeing with me. And yes, I am being callous, I have no patience for excuse-making.
 
I could probably start down a path where I’d eventually end up making as much money as you, I choose not to; because it would be very, very difficult. I don’t blame anyone for that choice except myself.  
Yes, some people are lazy, and that cannot be helped. Some people, however, require assistance in order to get on stable enough footing.
We should help these people.
 
And we do. Often times, to their own detriment. Social welfare programs are financial dis-intensives. I’m more than happy to help, but only if it leads to you eventually becoming self-sufficient. How does that old saying go? Something about teaching and fish?
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If healthcare HAS to be paid for, like a smartphone, it should at least cost less.
 
It does. Medicaid. Medicare. ACA.  
That shit’s expensive, and it’s not like most people have the funds to pay for a $2000 dollar hospital trip when they can’t afford healthcare to begin with. You have a broken leg which healed incorrectly and now you can’t walk? You have a brain hemorrhage? Go see a doctor. Oh, you can’t afford to pay? Die then.
 
That doesn’t happen. Not if you have health insurance. There’s no excuse for not having health insurance in a country where our government is so involved in healthcare. If you choose not to get health insurance, then fine, when you fuck up and need it most, that’s on you.  
If you’re able to, then applying for a job with benefits is a good idea. I’ll give you that. But it’s not like you’ll be hired. There’s always a chance they could turn you down.
 
Then you keep trying and stop feeling sorry for yourself. The market is competitive. Tough shit. That’s how it is. Keep trying.  
There’s always a chance they could turn you down. But what if you physically/mentally cannot work and are disabled in some way? What if, for some reason, you aren’t approved for SSDI and still can’t afford healthcare on your own? What then?
 
I’ll tell you what I would do in each of these scenarios.
 
  1. Turned down - you apply for another job, or continue bugging whoever refused to hire you until they tell you why they won’t give you a chance, what you did wrong, and maybe even ask them for tips on how to succeed in the future.  
  2. You cannot work or are disabled - I’ve already covered this. We have Medicaid, Medicare, SSi, and SSDI whatever it’s called for situations like this.  
  3. What if, for some reason, you aren’t approved for SSDI and still can’t afford healthcare on your own - That depends entirely on the reason, if you don’t qualify then you don’t qualify, too bad, so sad. Figure it out. Life is not that complicated, folks.
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Worse than Bush Jr? Andrew Jackson? Nixon?
At least one of them, probably yes.
 
 
@kyle2252  
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There’s nothing wrong with the electoral college.
Yes, there is. Whatever the original intent, it has become the worst of all possible outcomes for it to be, and either needs to be abolished or radically overhauled.
 
 
@kyle2252  
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Record low employment and economic growth. Seems like he’s doing just fine. He said he was gonna build a wall, that’s what he’s been working on. He’s also followed through on his promise to slash regulations.
Record low unemployment does not necessarily indicate good things. It is a complex matter that includes some rather serious negatives, like people who work because they literally can’t afford to retire.
 
Economic growth is not his doing. It began months before he was even in office. Frankly his only real accomplishment there is not managing to totally kill it off yet, despite valiant efforts to do so.
 
The wall is a stupid worthless vanity project that everyone who even remotely understands the issue has said is a waste of money and offers nothing that cannot be better obtained though other means.
 
And among the many good regulations he’s slashed were ones that protected the environment and us. I consider no part of his efforts there to be good, or even sane.
 
 
@kyle2252  
Losers make excuses.
Yes, we know, Trump does it pretty much 24/7.
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No it doesn’t. Just because your guy didn’t win that doesn’t mean we change the system.  
Record low unemployment does not necessarily indicate good things
 
You can’t be serious. What would you prefer? Higher unemployment? Economic stagnation?  
, like people who work because they literally can’t afford to retire.
 
That sounds like they made some bad financial decisions; no-one’s fault but theirs.  
Economic growth is not his doing.
 
Yes, it is. That’s what happens when you cut taxes. Lower taxes are financial incentives. If the economy was booming under Obama he’d be taking credit for it so don’t give me that nonsense.
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I don’t want to blame the entire civil rights struggle into one person but…  
Actually that’s what I’m going to do, this fucker absolutely fucked up the reconstruction efforts
 
@kyle2252  
Employment is decided by supply and demand  
If demand is already met or competition, tough luck  
How is it the fault of the individual when the system works against them ?  
Just make it free, just take a couple of billions from the military budget
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Hey, you know what would be a REALLY good idea? Let’s have the government seize the means of production of all goods and services. There’s absolutely no way that could go wrong, right?
 
Can you maybe change your name to reflect an economic policy that hasn’t been proven to be an abject failure at every turn? It would maybe make me consider listening to what you have to say.
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It does. Medicaid. Medicare. ACA.
 
Ok, that’s fair. I’ll give you that. They’re discounted.  
That doesn’t happen. Not if you have health insurance. There’s no excuse for not having health insurance in a country where our government is so involved in healthcare. If you choose not to get health insurance, then fine, when you fuck up and need it most, that’s on you.
Then you keep trying and stop feeling sorry for yourself. The market is competitive. Tough shit. That’s how it is. Keep trying.
 
I’ll give you this, too. Perseverance is important.  
  1. Turned down – you apply for another job, or continue bugging whoever refused to hire you until they tell you why they won’t give you a chance, what you did wrong, and maybe even ask them for tips on how to succeed in the future.
  2. You cannot work or are disabled – I’ve already covered this. We have Medicaid, Medicare, SSi, and SSDI whatever it’s called for situations like this.
  3. What if, for some reason, you aren’t approved for SSDI and still can’t afford healthcare on your own – That depends entirely on the reason, if you don’t qualify then you don’t qualify, too bad, so sad. Figure it out. Life is not that complicated, folks.
 
1 & 2: Good points. For 2, if you apply and actually get SSDI and health insurance, then good for you. 3. It should be more of a “too bad, so sad” reaction. If you can’t afford healthcare AND your application was denied for some reason, then you should be able to get SOME help and/or compensation, some way. You shouldn’t just be told “oh, you tried every way you could but were still declined for x reason? Too bad, so sad.” That just sounds a bit crude, don’t you think? But, you are right in one way, it really depends on the reason.
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1 & 2: Good points. For 2, if you apply and actually get SSDI and health insurance, then good for you. 3. It should be more of a “too bad, so sad” reaction. If you can’t afford healthcare AND your application was denied for some reason, then you should be able to get SOME help and/or compensation, some way.
 
Dude, if you don’t qualify, chances are there is a good reason. They don’t just turn you down for no reason, that’s retarded.
 
there are so many fucking choices in america, so much opportunity and SO much help, you’ll excuse me if I feel unsympathetic to your failures.
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What do you mean ‘what if you can’t afford it’
 
Did you read anything I posted?
 
ACA. MEDICARE. MEDICAID. You CAN afford it; the government has made sure of that, so don’t give me this bullshit ‘what if’.  
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