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@kyle2252  
Solar, Hydro, and Nuclear are far more efficient and sustainable long-term, fossil fuels are not. Besides that the amount of arctic and antarctice ice melting is a cause for concern, because if we’re all dead it won’t matter what we use.(Not that I would mind anyway, humans don’t deserve this Earth).
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We use all 4 of those, not just fossil fuels. I agree, the more energy, the better, bring it on. Do it all.  
Besides that the amount of arctic and antarctice ice melting is a cause for concern, because if we’re all dead it won’t matter what we use.(Not that I would mind anyway, humans don’t deserve this Earth).
 
It aint over till it’s over.
 
People have been sperging about global warming since the 90s (probably even before then, I cba to research this); and while I don’t deny that it is happening, my reaction is, so what? Whatever happens, happens.
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Scientists Find Melting of Antarctic Ice Sheet Accelerating  
New Study Brings Antarctic Ice Loss Into Sharper Focus (NASA Article)
 
@kyle2252  
We don’t use the other three enough yet, but we need to while phasing out fossil fuels.  
People have been sperging about global warming since the 90s; and while I don’t deny that it is happening, my reaction is, so what? Whatever happens, happens.
 
Don’t you like living?
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@kyle2252  
Neither am I but we should definitely be combating the effects now, before it eventually gets to the point where anything we do is fruitless.
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@kyle2252
Neither am I but we should definitely be combating the effects now, before it eventually gets to the point where anything we do is fruitless.
 
Except people have been saying that shit since the 90s.
 
It’s been 28 years. Are we all dead? No? Well fuck it then, whatever happens, happens.
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We don’t use the other three enough yet, but we need to while phasing out fossil fuels.
People have been sperging about global warming since the 90s; and while I don’t deny that it is happening, my reaction is, so what? Whatever happens, happens.
Don’t you like living?
 
Obviously, Kyle thinks that he’s going to be one of the few that survives while all of the leftist Communist SJW soyboys die in the inevitable flooding.
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@kyle2252  
Yeah because the effects aren’t happening overnight, they’re slow, but before climate change happened of it’s own accord, just over a long period of hundreds of thousands of years, and now modern civilization is accelerating it.
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It’s already happening. Despite his promises and attempts to gut the EPA, more coal plants have shut down in Trump’s first two years than in any similar period in history.. Coal is dead, and alternatives are catching up fast.
 
Alternatives to fossil fuels seems like the kind of industry our nation should be investing in and promoting, but … “the people have spoken” and the administration will probably keep trying to save coal until they’re voted out.
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Here’s an idea. Give Trump the twenty billion he was offered (and rejected) last spring, and give CERN another twenty billion to build the LHC mark 2 in the US.
 
Trump gets his wall, and the US gets a massive technology boost and a shot at being the leader in particle physics again.
 
Win-win!
 
It’s kind of odd that Trump’s wall has just about the same price tag as a brand new “super-sized LHC”. Kind of puts it in perspective.
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To the people who are blaming “both democrats and republicans” for this shutdown, I found this comment in another forum
 
Since people are adamant on going “Both sides” here, I’d like to remind them of a few things for a moment:
  1. During the first 2018 Government Shutdown (since there were several that year), whereupon Republicans had the majority in both the House and Senate and the Presidency, and caused the Shutdown in the first place by using the previous year’s budget reconciliation to ramrod through an unpopular tax bill, the Democrats… did offer the Wall. As in, offered twenty five billion dollars, explicitly for the sake of a border wall, with Congressional Republicans showing signs of approval and acceptance of the deal… in return for further protections of (amongst other things) people at-the-time under the protection of DACA (or “Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals”, for those who don’t want to google such things). Trump outright refused to sign any such bill (which, again, would have outright funded the wall)… because both renewal of DACA and protection of those previously covered by it were both considered deal-breakers by him.
  2. Early in the current shutdown, both wings of the Senate (notably, including Mitch McConnell) endorsed a bill (that would temporarily authorize funding for several of the currently sans-funding departments and their workers) so as to mitigate the damage of this shutdown until the whole “Will we or won’t we fund the wall” thing was resolved. In fact, one of the most recent bills that Pelosi pushed through the house is this specific piece, which - again - had bipartisan support and endorsement including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. McConnell has refused to allow any call to vote on this bill because Trump has stated that he will not approve of or sign any bills involving budgetary matters that do not include funding for his wall. Even those providing money to - again - the 800,000-ish federal workers (and various federal agencies) who are either furloughed or sans-pay (working but not getting paychecks) in the interim.
To try and portray this as a matter of “Both sides” is so hilariously disingenuous it careens back from “hilarious” to “Did I say hilarious? I meant befuddling and horrifying”.
Once again: The wall was offered to be paid just one year prior, in full, in return for (not even permanently! Just temporarily) renewed protections for children that (the protections / laws, that is) nigh-universally had been found to aid the US economy as a whole, at worst no negative impact on crime and at best a positive one on its deterrence, aided the mental help of both DACA recipient children and their families, and did nothing to stimulate or exacerbate the rate of childhood arrivals (see: A program that could genuinely be said to have only good results, provided one considered “Children in good physical and mental health attaining an education and eventually becoming productive members of society” as good). Trump refused to sign any such budget - again, offering $25,000,000,000 in funding towards the wall - specifically over DACA, and Republicans refrained from pushing it (again, holding a clear majority in both chambers and thus needing only a relative handful of defectors to reach a veto-proof bipartisan majority). And this was, as it’s also worth bearing in mind to repeat once more, a complete government shutdown wherein the damage for not reaching a compromise was even more potentially catastrophic.
Now, eleven months later, the wall that was considered insufficient compromise for the protection of less than a million persons (near as I can tell, the highest numbers for its peak include about 750,000) - predominantly children - via an immigration policy that was agreed by most to boon for its recipients and United States, is now considered so desperately vital that 800,000 federal workers, composed of “legal” citizens, are considered acceptable collateral for one fifth that level of funding, and the Senate Majority Leader is at least affable enough to that idea that they refuse to call to vote any budgetary proposals - even quite literally those they had previously endorsed mere weeks prior - that do not include aforementioned funding.
To try and pin this as “at least equally the Dems’ fault” is so woefully counterfactual and disingenuous that the only good excuse to argue as much is quite literal ignorance, and considering how a number of people in here who’re pushing that narrative were explicitly told in previous threads…
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