Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)
Zincy 
In Vino Veritas
@kylebiddle
Your understanding of the world is woefully lacking.
I’m not saying that they cannot help themselves, nor that they should not.
But you seem to deny that the situation has any power at all.
I hate to tell you, but you cannot will everything into focus. Reality does not bend to your willpower.
I’ve seen people do everything in their power to get out of poverty only to be beaten down each time. Sometimes, the power of the situation trumps the power of the self, and then they require outside assistance. Flaws in the system sometime get in the way of that assistance.
We’ve got a saying in the south. Don’t spin your tires in the mud.
Your understanding of the world is woefully lacking.
I’m not saying that they cannot help themselves, nor that they should not.
But you seem to deny that the situation has any power at all.
I hate to tell you, but you cannot will everything into focus. Reality does not bend to your willpower.
I’ve seen people do everything in their power to get out of poverty only to be beaten down each time. Sometimes, the power of the situation trumps the power of the self, and then they require outside assistance. Flaws in the system sometime get in the way of that assistance.
We’ve got a saying in the south. Don’t spin your tires in the mud.
AaronMk 
Sky funeral
Try as you may, but under the current superstructure you won’t be getting the full value of the work you do.
Sectioned 
How so? Laziness is failure and hard work is success. That’s my world view, and it holds true.
Good, so we agree then.
So fix it then. Either you run your life or it runs you.
No shit. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try. There are so many resources, no excuse for failure whatsoever!
Yeah? We got a saying up North. Losers make excuses. Winners make it happen. No guts, no glory. No-one is a failure who keeps trying.
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Your understanding of the world is woefully lacking.
How so? Laziness is failure and hard work is success. That’s my world view, and it holds true.
I’m not saying that they cannot help themselves, nor that they should not.
Good, so we agree then.
But you seem to deny that the situation has any power at all.
So fix it then. Either you run your life or it runs you.
I hate to tell you, but you cannot will everything into focus. Reality does not bend to your willpower.
No shit. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try. There are so many resources, no excuse for failure whatsoever!
I’ve seen people do everything in their power to get out of poverty only to be beaten down each time. Sometimes, the power of the situation trumps the power of the self, and then they require outside assistance. Flaws in the system sometime get in the way of that assistance.We’ve got a saying in the south. Don’t spin your tires in the mud.
Yeah? We got a saying up North. Losers make excuses. Winners make it happen. No guts, no glory. No-one is a failure who keeps trying.
AaronMk
We also have another saying in the north that you’re forgetting.
Get a union.
Sky funeral
Yeah? We got a saying up North. Losers make excuses. Winners make it happen. No guts, no glory. No-one is a failure who keeps trying.
We also have another saying in the north that you’re forgetting.
Get a union.
Zincy
In Vino Veritas
@kylebiddle
Lemme finish that old sayin’ for yer oh so haughty northern eyes.
Don’t spin your tires in the mud, cause all you’re gonna do is get stuck and look like an idiot doing it. Sometimes, you gotta call Bubba to bring yea a 2×6, his uncles truck, and a 6pack for a long muddy night.
It means you can’t just keep trying to do what ain’t working, and you might need to get some buddy’s to help.
You can’t do it all alone.
Lemme finish that old sayin’ for yer oh so haughty northern eyes.
Don’t spin your tires in the mud, cause all you’re gonna do is get stuck and look like an idiot doing it. Sometimes, you gotta call Bubba to bring yea a 2×6, his uncles truck, and a 6pack for a long muddy night.
It means you can’t just keep trying to do what ain’t working, and you might need to get some buddy’s to help.
You can’t do it all alone.
AaronMk
Of course all work isn’t equal. I’m not denying that. What I am saying is that all work someone does is alienated from the work by the boss taking the excess value of the worker’s value and replacing it with an hourly wage that’s fundamentally indifferent of whether or not the laborer creates more or less value than supposed in the hourly wage. What use is working hard if you’re not receiving the share of the value in proportion to it?
Sky funeral
@AaronMk
That’s because all work is not created equal. I choose finacial security over risk and investment which is why I don’t make that much money.
Of course all work isn’t equal. I’m not denying that. What I am saying is that all work someone does is alienated from the work by the boss taking the excess value of the worker’s value and replacing it with an hourly wage that’s fundamentally indifferent of whether or not the laborer creates more or less value than supposed in the hourly wage. What use is working hard if you’re not receiving the share of the value in proportion to it?
Sectioned
The investors get a bigger piece of the pie because they choose the risk and investment over financial security. You are not entitled to shit.
If you want to be as big as they are, you have to be willing to RISK. You CHOSE financial security (an hour wage) over RISK. You think you can do better? Start your own business, then, and take the chance like they did.
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@AaronMk
That’s because all work is not created equal. I choose finacial security over risk and investment which is why I don’t make that much money.Of course all work isn’t equal. I’m not denying that. What I am saying is that all work someone does is alienated from the work by the boss taking the excess value of the worker’s value and replacing it with an hourly wage that’s fundamentally indifferent of whether or not the laborer creates more or less value than supposed in the hourly wage. What use is working hard if you’re not receiving the share of the value in proportion to it?
The investors get a bigger piece of the pie because they choose the risk and investment over financial security. You are not entitled to shit.
If you want to be as big as they are, you have to be willing to RISK. You CHOSE financial security (an hour wage) over RISK. You think you can do better? Start your own business, then, and take the chance like they did.
Zincy
In Vino Veritas
@kylebiddle
Nah, you seem to be good with that part.
But, you’re coming at it from a sideways angle that ain’t really seeing the whole picture.
Nah, you seem to be good with that part.
But, you’re coming at it from a sideways angle that ain’t really seeing the whole picture.
AaronMk
Lmao fuck investors. They don’t produce shit. Ain’t nothin’ but leaches on someone else’s work.
Sky funeral
@AaronMk
That’s because all work is not created equal. I choose finacial security over risk and investment which is why I don’t make that much money.Of course all work isn’t equal. I’m not denying that. What I am saying is that all work someone does is alienated from the work by the boss taking the excess value of the worker’s value and replacing it with an hourly wage that’s fundamentally indifferent of whether or not the laborer creates more or less value than supposed in the hourly wage. What use is working hard if you’re not receiving the share of the value in proportion to it?The investors get a bigger piece of the pie because they choose the risk and investment over financial security. You are not entitled to shit.If you want to be as big as they are, you have to be willing to RISK. You CHOSE financial security (an hour wage) over RISK. You think you can do better? Start your own business, then, and take the chance like they did.
Lmao fuck investors. They don’t produce shit. Ain’t nothin’ but leaches on someone else’s work.
AaronMk
>He thinks people are a thing to trade and should do everything for him, but he never for them.
This is some pitiful solidarity and a poor member of a community.
Sky funeral
@Zincy
Mmm no. I don’t think so. You’re forgetting that my worldview takes into account the help of others as a resource, not just do everything yourself; nor should you go in the opposite direction and rely on everyone else for everything.
>He thinks people are a thing to trade and should do everything for him, but he never for them.
This is some pitiful solidarity and a poor member of a community.
AaronMk
Listen fam, you’re arguing how thing A works to try and shoot down thing B that doesn’t ever need or propose they’re ever in the right. So it’s really more comical than anything at this point.
Sky funeral
@AaronMk
Fuck investors? They’re INVESTING their money in the business. They are taking A RISK. They’re not leeching off of anyone, it’s in their OWN best interest that the business succeeds. If the business fails, who do you think loses? EVERYONE. That includes the investors.
Listen fam, you’re arguing how thing A works to try and shoot down thing B that doesn’t ever need or propose they’re ever in the right. So it’s really more comical than anything at this point.
Zincy
In Vino Veritas
@kylebiddle
My issue with your worldview is that you seem to believe that the only path to deep poverty is paved with laziness, which is objectively untrue.
I know people that have never once stopped trying and are still stuck at the bottom. Some folks working 3 jobs, cutting meals, shouldering students loans, selling assets, the works. Yet, despite it all, they are still stuck.
So, no, continued poverty is not solely caused by being lazy. Sometimes you’re stuck in a hole.
I don’t know what the answer to this vexing question is, I’m no economist. I just know it’s a problem.
My issue with your worldview is that you seem to believe that the only path to deep poverty is paved with laziness, which is objectively untrue.
I know people that have never once stopped trying and are still stuck at the bottom. Some folks working 3 jobs, cutting meals, shouldering students loans, selling assets, the works. Yet, despite it all, they are still stuck.
So, no, continued poverty is not solely caused by being lazy. Sometimes you’re stuck in a hole.
I don’t know what the answer to this vexing question is, I’m no economist. I just know it’s a problem.
Zincy
In Vino Veritas
@AaronMk
I always find it funny when people act like that.
Inevitably it comes down to me being accused of being a leech, as they instantly assume my advocacy must be born from being myself impoverished because no way a well off person would endorse “laziness”.
I am, thankfully, far from impoverished.
I always find it funny when people act like that.
Inevitably it comes down to me being accused of being a leech, as they instantly assume my advocacy must be born from being myself impoverished because no way a well off person would endorse “laziness”.
I am, thankfully, far from impoverished.
Zincy
In Vino Veritas
@kylebiddle
I’ve made money from a failing business.
A savvy investor can profit from killing a company.
I’ve made money from a failing business.
A savvy investor can profit from killing a company.
Sectioned
1 factor among many. Not untrue. Neither is it the ‘whole story’.
And? You’re talking as if we disagree when we don’t.
Quit shitposting.
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My issue with your worldview is that you seem to believe that the only path to deep poverty is paved with laziness, which is objectively untrue.
1 factor among many. Not untrue. Neither is it the ‘whole story’.
I know people that have never once stopped trying and are still stuck at the bottom. Some folks working 3 jobs, cutting meals, shouldering students loans, selling assets, the works. Yet, despite it all, they are still stuck.So, no, continued poverty is not solely caused by being lazy. Sometimes you’re stuck in a hole.
And? You’re talking as if we disagree when we don’t.
I don’t know what the answer to this vexing question is, I’m no economist. I just know it’s a problem.
@Zincy
Mmm no. I don’t think so. You’re forgetting that my worldview takes into account the help of others as a resource, not just do everything yourself; nor should you go in the opposite direction and rely on everyone else for everything.>He thinks people are a thing to trade and should do everything for him, but he never for them.This is some pitiful solidarity and a poor member of a community.
but zincy they dont have investors no wonder they won’t succede because they dont take security
Quit shitposting.
Sectioned
Good, that’s the way it should be. That’s smart investing. A skill.@Zincy
I’ve done none of those things.
I always assume the best of intentions of my opponent when arguing, you should do the same.
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I’ve made money from a failing business.A savvy investor can profit from killing a company.
Good, that’s the way it should be. That’s smart investing. A skill.@Zincy
I always find it funny when people act like that.Inevitably it comes down to me being accused of being a leech, as they instantly assume my advocacy must be born from being myself impoverished because no way a well off person would endorse “laziness”.I am, thankfully, far from impoverished.
I’ve done none of those things.
I always assume the best of intentions of my opponent when arguing, you should do the same.
Zincy
In Vino Veritas
@kylebiddle
Hmm, then you may have misrepresented your position, because I read it very differently.
To me, it seemed as if you were condemning most or all the continually poor as being lazy. Which I took umbrage to.
I may be mistaken in this.
And I wasn’t referring to you. Just past encounters.
You wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve had to literally give the dimensions of my home to convince idiots that I’m not on welfare. Quite frustrating.
Hmm, then you may have misrepresented your position, because I read it very differently.
To me, it seemed as if you were condemning most or all the continually poor as being lazy. Which I took umbrage to.
I may be mistaken in this.
And I wasn’t referring to you. Just past encounters.
You wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve had to literally give the dimensions of my home to convince idiots that I’m not on welfare. Quite frustrating.
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