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And that’s how I know the situation is dire. I’m actually on your side for a change.
 
No offense.
 
Seriously though, Net Neutrality is something neither side of the political spectrum can afford to lose. It’s not even a partisan issue. It’s a “do you really want your ISP deciding how and for what purpose you use the internet?” issue. And we all need to fight for it.
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of course I’m for Net Neutrality. Again, we went through this a few years ago when everyone blamed Obama for trying to control the internet. Lots of bullshit, because, in the end whatever idea at the FCC will be submitted, again, to a vote.
 
The problem is, the users are docile, in general, and don’t really pay attention to important stuff going on. If ISPs see people can afford hats in a starwars game, they know they can trick people into paying more for extra fast access to <some site>. Like someone mentioned earlier, it’s the skilled corporations being manipulative, and the users who don’t know at which point they are getting fucked up. It’s neither Trump, or Obama’s fault here. The FCC is just like the A.R.T. or the ARCEP here, an authority of regulating telecoms, made with bureaucrats that can be influenced and lobbied by operators.
 
Operators who, I recall, again, are owned by a bigger corporation, half of them also manage big media websites who, Oh grandiose ironie, blame Trump like he is even in charge of this. As in internal they WANT to abolish net neutrality, to earn more shekels. And knowing their users they totally know they can get away with this.
 
 
Again if it’s submitted to a vote, normally they will vote to maintain net neutrality or push regulations.
 
message from the rest of the world: no, not every country is equal regarding the net. Here, half of the operators trottles down bandwidth to access some sites. like Orange versus Free.fr’s download service, or youtube, mega, etc. Some ISPs also bottleneck the ADSL connection to avoid renewing their routers and switches. And despite the EU directives and regulations, it’s not enforced. The ISPs stipulates the bandwidth is not guaranteed.
 
And I’m not even talking about mobile comms when you go on 4G and the bandwidth goes down to ~1Mb/s after a while.
 
Of course I don’t really wish you this, but I am sure that won’t happen. What you can do however instead is to move your arse and point out at your cox, Roadrunner, Comcast, AOL-TIme-Warner and co, and show theese companies who’s the boss.
 
It’s you, you’re the fucking user of a service, you already pay an exhorbitant price for a connection and you will let them make it worse? Come on.
 
It’s not even political at this point, it’s about people from right and left to expose the corporate oligarchy.
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I mean, some of them aren’t wrong about having more competition with the Telecom companies would be one of the solutions to this problem.
 
We could probably leverage standing anti-Trust laws to rip them apart, and while we’re at it I would say aim the same guns at Google and Facebook and start breaking them down and busting information monopolies. But to play the role of a cynic for a moment after anti-trust laws are used it’s not too terribly difficult for the new companies forcefully created out of the old single company to suddenly get back together as an association of companies who make agreements on who is where and who does what in order to hold the same relative market share as before. So if we really wanted to talk about busting telecom power it’d have to go a lot further in my opinion than just splitting existing companies, finding ways to dramatically restructure them post trust-bust so the people in controlling power won’t reconvene later.
 
Nominally you can do some Trust Busting in the name of honest healthy capitalism like the in the old original days of the Anti-Trust movement when the anti-trust laws were added to the US arsenal of legal weapons. After all, good consumer-side service and opportunity arises when there’s competition among the field; we can can arguably get faster and more reliable service if companies were actively afraid you might switch to someone else as opposed to being complacent safe in the knowledge they got a geographic monopoly. Though I’m more interested in the potential power dynamics than anything, we can talk about cost-benefit ratios and service quality but at the end of the day it comes down to who really should have the power and how it should be used or manifested.
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The Cycle of the Satisfaction of Consumers
 
  1. If the satisfaction is greater, then the desire is stronger.
     
  2. If the desire is stronger, then the consumers’ knowledge of the forms of a product is reduced to the form that satisfies most.
     
  3. If the consumers’ knowledge of the forms of a product is reduced to the form that satisfies most, then the consumers’ knowledge of the companies that provide the forms of a product is reduced to the company providing the form that satisfies most.
     
  4. If the consumers’ knowledge of the companies that provide the forms of a product is reduced to the company providing the form that satisfies most, then the consumers tell other consumers about the company to help them satisfy their appetites.
     
  5. If the consumers tell other consumers about the company to help them satisfy their appetites, then the number of consumers of the form increases.
     
  6. If the number of consumers of the form increases, then the supply of the form decreases.
     
  7. If the supply of the form decreases, then the price of the form increases.
     
  8. If the price of the form increases, then the risk is greater.
     
  9. If the risk is greater, then the satisfaction is greater.
     
  10. If the satisfaction is greater, then the desire is stronger.
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yep, normally people have the legal arsenal to combat this kind of monopoly, or even the means to obtain alternatives.  
but apparently it’s the US, and I don’t think they really have much power.
 
 
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and one important thing, in this cycle, is how a product is advertised. That’s how you change a smart consumer who knows what he needs into a blind consumer who will be satisfied.  
How in worst case completely imaginative here that law changed, the best strategy will be to adapt to the new situation.
 
never forget that the companies who owns the Times, the Washington Post, many channels, news and websites are owned by a few companies who also own broadband and mobile services. Follow the money! Now how such a situation could be, in spite of all be turned in the advantage of the users?
 
still, the 4th is the most important and interesting point here. If the NN is passed anyways, if no one is mobilized to protest it, if no legal action or defense of the consumer is done, if there’s no antitrust law passing to regulate this shit, fatally one of the fourth cable companies WILL have to propose a pack with real internet, unlimited, for 60$/mo. people will start moving to it, and inevitably this will force the competition to provide an even lower rate. 50$/mo all included! Oh wait, we can make the same offer at 39,99/mo! Internet, TV, and phone included. And a competitive dataplan for mobile.
 
If you want it simpler, it’s math. corporations have to remain competitive against eachother, if they are not, they work together, and that’s illegal. It is no more the FCC but the FTC, the federal trade commission to investigate and that will cost a lot to the companies.
 
Again for this you guys need to get your shit together.
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This is exactly what I posted, minus the edgy OC. and the >muh guns everywhere.
 
Mother of Celestia, all of this is cringe.  
Finally if you want to keep net neutrality, you move your ass. it’s not on a pony imageboard posting here it’s gonna change stuff. I can’t do anything for you guys, you can just inform, without playing the blame game, that the billion dollar internet corporations are conspiring to pound you in the ass, and it’s time for you to act up, and do some shit about it.  
No candles, no shit on change.org again, I’m talking ‘bout legal measures, because having the CEO of Comcast at the head of the FCC, obviously there’s a problem here.
 
Again, the rulership of corporations and banks, being favorited by the government, isn’t free market or capitalism. You’re ending in the same situation as in the EU where corporations just have to shill and do lobbying operations to force their product to be sold.
 
Yep, that’s a form of socialism actually. not in favor of the people, or in favor of an ideology her, but in favor of the interest of the banks and corporations, and a group of people but talking about them, ironically, will flag me as a dangerous antisemite so I won’t play this game again.
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Again, the rulership of corporations and banks, being favorited by the government, isn’t free market or capitalism. You’re ending in the same situation as in the EU where corporations just have to shill and do lobbying operations to force their product to be sold.
Yep, that’s a form of socialism actually. not in favor of the people, or in favor of an ideology her, but in favor of the interest of the banks and corporations, and a group of people but talking about them, ironically, will flag me as a dangerous antisemite so I won’t play this game again.
 
Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production and the circulation of commodities such that capital produces commodities to exchange them for more capital, such that capital begets more capital.
 
Socialism is the public, collective, or cooperative ownership of the means of production.
 
The EU’s economy, like the economies of the United States and Cuba, is a mixed economy, a supposed mix of capitalism and socialism, but considering oligopolies, buying capital, and a desire for maximizing profits still remain, the true description is a mix of state interventionism and free market capitalism (in which the law that the prices decrease when the supplies increase still holds, not to be confused for laissez faire capitalism, which aims for fixed prices), so by that, the European Union, the United States of America, and other countries with mixed economies are capitalist and your assertion of those economies not being capitalist nor free market is false, as the preferred term to name the favouritism of the government toward corporations is corporate nationalism.
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Again, the rulership of corporations and banks, being favorited by the government, isn’t free market or capitalism. You’re ending in the same situation as in the EU where corporations just have to shill and do lobbying operations to force their product to be sold.
Yep, that’s a form of socialism actually. not in favor of the people, or in favor of an ideology her, but in favor of the interest of the banks and corporations, and a group of people but talking about them, ironically, will flag me as a dangerous antisemite so I won’t play this game again.
Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production.
Socialism is the public, collective, or cooperative ownership of the means of production.
The EU’s economy, like the economies of the United States and Cuba, is a mixed economy, a supposed mix of capitalism and socialism, but considering oligopolies, buying capital, and a desire for maximizing profits still remain, a true description would a mix of state interventionism and free market capitalism (in which the law that the prices decrease when the supplies increase still holds, not to be confused for laissez faire capitalism, which aims for fixed prices), so by that, the European Union, the United States of America, and other countries with mixed economies are capitalist and your assertion of those economies not being capitalist nor free market is false, as the preferred term to name the favouritism of the government toward corporations is corporate nationalism.
 
What is Keynesian Economics for 500.
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Since we’ve spoken about collages and laws here this vid fits:  
Jordan Peterson Was Right
 
Also side note if he’s watching, Shirai was right that collages are worthless for education and are not just the church of progressives.
 
If you’re not going to watch the video, Then at least listen to the tribunal that painted her their heretic. Soundcloud here
 
They’re using the laws to bully a woman for not thinking the way she wanted. This is why people many being trans were against bill C-16. They are doing exactly what he said they would.
 
I do find it odd, I know I’m gonna get response of “But Muh rights!” BUT you’re giving more rights to a one group with laws like this, not people in a whole. A protect class as it were.
 
I’m going to leave off with this question: If the bill was to some affect make to Christians “Feel safer”, and came a recording of a meeting where a someone took both sides of the argument, but was later harassed by a group because they didn’t exclusively take their religious fundamentalism: Would you still be in favor of that bill to give exclusive rights to a group?
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JUNE 19, 2017  
+*BILL C-16
 
 
SUMMARY  
This enactment amends the Canadian Human Rights Act to add gender identity and gender expression to the list of prohibited grounds of discrimination.
 
The enactment also amends the Criminal Code to extend the protection against hate propaganda set out in that Act to any section of the public that is distinguished by gender identity or expression and to clearly set out that evidence that an offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on gender identity or expression constitutes an aggravating circumstance that a court must take into consideration when it imposes a sentence.
 
64-65-66 ELIZABETH II  
CHAPTER 13  
An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code  
[Assented to 19th June, 2017]
 
Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate and House of Commons of Canada, enacts as follows:
 
R.‍S.‍, c. H-6  
Canadian Human Rights Act  
1998, c. 9, s. 9; 2012, c. 1, s. 137(E)  
1 Section 2 of the Canadian Human Rights Act is replaced by the following:
 
Purpose  
2 The purpose of this Act is to extend the laws in Canada to give effect, within the purview of matters coming within the legislative authority of Parliament, to the principle that all individuals should have an opportunity equal with other individuals to make for themselves the lives that they are able and wish to have and to have their needs accommodated, consistent with their duties and obligations as members of society, without being hindered in or prevented from doing so by discriminatory practices based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, disability or conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered.
 
1996, c. 14, s. 2; 2012, c. 1, s. 138(E)  
2 Subsection 3(1) of the Act is replaced by the following:
 
Prohibited grounds of discrimination  
3 (1) For all purposes of this Act, the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered.
 
R.‍S.‍, c. C-46  
Criminal Code  
2014, c. 31, s. 12  
3 Subsection 318(4) of the Criminal Code is replaced by the following:
 
Definition of identifiable group  
(4) In this section, identifiable group means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or mental or physical disability.
 
1995, c. 22, s. 6  
4 Subparagraph 718.‍2(a)‍(i) of the Act is replaced by the following:
 
(i) evidence that the offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity or expression, or on any other similar factor,
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*+Hate Propaganda
 
Advocating genocide  
318 (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
 
Definition of genocide  
(2) In this section, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,
 
(a) killing members of the group; or  
(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.
 
Consent  
(3) No proceeding for an offence under this section shall be instituted without the consent of the Attorney General.
 
Definition of identifiable group  
(4) In this section, identifiable group means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or mental or physical disability.
 
Public incitement of hatred  
319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
 
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or  
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
 
Wilful promotion of hatred  
(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of
 
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or  
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
 
Defences  
(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)
 
(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;  
(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;  
( c ) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or  
(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.
 
Forfeiture  
(4) Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 318 or subsection (1) or (2) of this section, anything by means of or in relation to which the offence was committed, on such conviction, may, in addition to any other punishment imposed, be ordered by the presiding provincial court judge or judge to be forfeited to Her Majesty in right of the province in which that person is convicted, for disposal as the Attorney General may direct.
 
Exemption from seizure of communication facilities  
(5) Subsections 199(6) and (7) apply with such modifications as the circumstances require to section 318 or subsection (1) or (2) of this section.
 
Consent  
(6) No proceeding for an offence under subsection (2) shall be instituted without the consent of the Attorney General.
 
Definitions  
(7) In this section,
 
communicating includes communicating by telephone, broadcasting or other audible or visible means; (communiquer)  
identifiable group has the same meaning as in section 318; (groupe identifiable)  
public place includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, express or implied; (endroit public)  
statements includes words spoken or written or recorded electronically or electro-magnetically or otherwise, and gestures, signs or other visible representations. (déclarations)
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The reason the left dominates campus isn’t because of some grand conspiracy, it’s simply because we are correct
 
Or because the left has generally been intellectually more developed than the right, and it took until Rothbard and the Chicago school to develop an answer of any depth to left-wing economics, or center-left Keynesian economics. And the left’s deconstruction strategy itself dates back to the pre-Socratic philosophy of Greek campuses.
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Damn, the meeting audio is just… disgusting. A good thing to note is that this audio is so egregious, that it has hit main stream media, so much so that the University apologized. Good thing it was recorded.
 
@Commune  
The issue isn’t about who’s “leading” in universities, “left” or “right”, who gives a shit. As long as you are giving good education to the students, and not turning universities into ideological indoctrination camps. Universities should be neutral when it comes to politics, they should give both sides and give students the tools to choose sides. You shouldn’t be proud of the left using their power to bully students into one mindset.
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@patachu  
In a nutshell, mindless consumers are to blame for creating a monster they can no longer control.  
I totally agree here. It has nothing to do with politics, and when there’s monopolies like today, there cannot be free market.  
So in a sense, doesn’t this also mean the current situation profits the corporations, this explains why the corporate-owned media use scare tactics about the loss of this status quo about Net Neutrality.
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@Commune
The issue isn’t about who’s “leading” in universities, “left” or “right”, who gives a shit. As long as you are giving good education to the students, and not turning universities into ideological indoctrination camps. Universities should be neutral when it comes to politics, they should give both sides and give students the tools to choose sides. You shouldn’t be proud of the left using their power to bully students into one mindset.
 
Except that in reality, at least in-so-far as economics is concerned, or as it applies to the United Kingdom neo-classical economics maintains a monopoly on economic theory. To the point that after the financial crash an entire group was made by economic students or former economic students (rather, all Economists, so perhaps recent ones) advocating for breaking the intellectual monopoly neo-classical economic ideology has
 
The people running our banks, providing advice and information to our civic and private leaders, are all part of the same school of thought with no other background, using models that didn’t even predict the crash.
 
America may be different since looking into a profile of those that predicted the crash, seeing they have backgrounds in alternative non-neo-liberal economic theories leads me to believe that at the least we’re doing something. But it’s notable to pause to consider that apart from being members of a pool of advisers for decision making they didn’t really get much credit or attention until after the fact when we were able to look back after the train hit us, so to speak.
 
As I heard it put once, people don’t care about Marx in so far as Marx stays in the philosophy department. But as soon as he starts treading on establishment territory outside of his designated building. In march of this year a professor at the University of Vermont was fighting to keep his job, because he wasn’t towing the economic line.
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Problem is… is there even a way for education to be truly politically neutral, especially when we consider the human sciences like history, anthropology, and philosophy?  
Some conservative activists in my country are trying to impose a forced political neutralization program in our schools.  
Personally, i feel like all that is sufficient to combat “indoctrination” in schools is protecting the freedom of expression of students and the freedom to contest the teacher’s claims. Not to mention that, for example, some students going to study with left-leaning teachers come from right-leaning families, which provides a conflict of ideas and, theoretically, matures the student’s political thought.
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