Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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Well, that falls into your purview of what you consider real and what you consider unreal. Is law real?  
One could say that race isn’t real, but that racism is. I, for one, believe ethnicity, like sex, is a physical construct, but race, like gender, is a socio-psychological one.  
We, however, have to keep in mind that it’s a social construct, IMO. Even if our definitions of “existence” are hazy.
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He was trying to make a argument for closed borders and against diversity. The typical “Brown people have low IQs, they vote for the left, their culture is incompatible with western civilization” type of talking points.
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@Hypnosryan well, voting that way is incompatible with western (or any) civilisation, so he’s halfway there!
 
@BadgingBadger well, you do have to remember race (as in brown vs white vs yellow race et al) is relatively recent as a development, it did used to be interchangeable (brits vs Irish, Serbs vs Polish, etc) when it first arose, but the whole slavery thing (or rather, educating about/justifying slavery) is where it starts to shift.  
I think the semantical side of it really screws up the debate sometimes because since the early 1900s it was pushed 100% into that corner in ‘pop culture’ for political gain. (nice one, Trotsky!) But, that’s not the way the average person uses it, and the teaching is intentionally vague enough to confuse the laymen. Heck, not even those alty guys are actually using it that way, which you notice once they bring up sickle cell, Moynihan, and inheritable diseases. Those definitely aren’t social issues.
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Concerning intelligence and ethnicity, that IQ scores are low in places like Africa and high in Japan and the United States, does not mean the IQ scores are fundamentally wrong or one ethnic group is superior to another, because IQ scores are a measurement of an object called by psychometricians general intelligence, or g, which is considered to exist because of the positive correlation coefficients amongst various measures of g that psychometricians consider to be indirect evidence of an underlying faculty of humans, and from the usage of IQ tests and other intelligence measures with high correlation coefficients, comes–to pick this discovery to resolve the aforesaid issue–a conclusion that the more culturally neutral the items of an IQ test appear to be, the wider the gap in measured intelligence between two ethnic groups. To illustrate this through blacks (B) and whites (W),
 
The technical literature is again clear. In study after study of the leading tests, the hypothesis that the B/W difference is caused by questions with cultural content has been contradicted by the facts. Items that the average white test taker finds easy relative to other items, the average black test taker does too; the same is true for items that the average white and black find difficult. Inasmuch as whites and blacks have different overall scores on the average, it follows that a smaller proportion of blacks get right answers for either easy or hard items, but the order of difficulty is virtually the same in each racial group. For groups that have special language considerations–Latinos and American Indians, for example–some internal evidence of bias has been found, unless English is their native language.
 
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The B/W difference is wider on items that appear to be culturally neutral than on items that appear to be culturally loaded.  
–The Bell Curve by Richard J. Herrnstein and Charles Murray
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This is the kind of thing that happens when you run our public schools too much like prisons/indoctrination camps based on an out of date 18th Century Prussian model of “education” rather than what schools ideally ought to be: places to learn some interesting shit or at least some fucking job skills.
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Schools aren’t anymore safe than any given convenience store, street or house. They are only thought safe, because the motive for attacking schools is thought to be so illogical. It is this lack of reason and how the victims were innocent which makes school shootings so different, when similar shootings happen everywhere else with no fanfare from the media.
 
It’s not that schools are unsafe, just that we only imagine them to be the exception where violence can not happen.
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@Cyborg_pony  
Society is perpetuating it  
They have no choice but to claim their social construction  
Race is a social relation that no one individual, fuck, a group can control
 
Race is a social construct like money, but if you go around tossing away your money saying it isn’t real, you will become bankrupt and then die homeless on the street  
Get it ?
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Dude derpy doesn’t want us arguing with him while he’s banned, let it go,
 
 
So let’s all remeber that while we are looking at how to put back together so much of our nation that was damaged by these storms, Trump is trying to use them to push for tax cuts for the rich, and still hasn’t reversed his position on cuts to the EPA and HUD, ywo of the agencies most responsible for helping these people,
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I’m studying pedagogy alongside my history course, and we often bring up criticisms about the prussian system, such as the fetishization of test scores, the overuse of punishment, and the excessive focus that both students and teachers give to tests, which creates an environment where students have to adapt to the system, rather than the system adapting to the students.  
If you can find an english version, i recommend you read a text on education by Carlos Cipriano Luckesi.
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@BadgingBadger
 
The test-scores fetish certainly sounds familiar. I never did well on exams; always too practical. There are days I wish I’d been born a generation or two earlier so I could have gone to a decent trade school or a polytechnic instead of having to slog my way through a bunch of classes that I and the teachers all knew were an exercise in futility.
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Every single trans person I interact with on anything more than a passing basis has told me that transtrenders are setting their fight for recognition right back to square zero, by turning a legitimate physiological and social issue into a fashion statement and turning otherwise neutral people against the entire issue by being whiny, obnoxious little brats, claiming special status because they’re “trans”.
 
Transtrenders are cancer. They’re no different than the self-diagnosed “neurodiverse” morons who generated such huge clouds of scepticism around aspergers and the like that my wife now has a constant uphill struggle to be recognised and appropriately accommodated in environments that were previously quite positively inclined to such accommodation.
 
So no. They aren’t a good thing. They don’t make people “question their gender identity”, they make people question the legitimacy of those with genuine need. They’re fucking everything up for their own gratification.
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The problem is not Transtrenders(if they even exist) but gatekeepers who deny the existence of agender and non-binary folks who very well are suffering from discrimination in society  
And as a person who is currently questioning my gender identity whether or not I’m Agender, this is quite offensive
 
No you don’t need dysphoria to be Trans, you just need to… identify as the other gender
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@Archonix  
…i think Commune just made a typo.  
They’re no different than the self-diagnosed “neurodiverse” morons who generated such huge clouds of scepticism around aspergers and the like that my wife now has a constant uphill struggle to be recognised and appropriately accommodated in environments that were previously quite positively inclined to such accommodation.
 
What even are “neurodiverse” people? Where did you take that from?
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From what I understand it, Neurodiversefolk are people who have ADHD, autism, dyslexia etc.  
The neurodiverse movement merely says they should be treated like normal people instead of people with some sort of disease
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