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@BadgingBadger  
Pretty much why I have been inactive recently. It is fun debating with others to reach a conclusion that can be agreed upon because it strokes one’s ego, but then, it becomes tiresome, especially when conversing with people who rely on a biased agenda–such as trying to defend Trump as much as possible to the point of downplaying the emotions evoked in most by Trump’s mistakes (e.g. not repackaging the November 20, 2014, Executive Action as an Executive Order for Congress to fix and pass)–rather than reason, and these people are almost impossible to have a substantial agreement with.
 
@AaronMk  
Like, read a book.
 
To go on a very loosely related excursion, reading a book is a great way to spend one’s leisure time because the content of a book is simply given, so one can use that content or criticize it with other content from other books, stimulating one’s intellectual capacities, unlike other ways to spend leisure such as watching a TV show, which are essentially ways to pleasure oneself rather than exercise oneself.  
I’m reading a book about cod and its roll in history.
 
What is the name of the book? It sounds like it might describe the economic history of cod.  

 
Anyway, soon I’ll post a formal critique of human rights, and then I will not post in this thread for awhile.
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We keep getting reports about posts in this thread, and I just want to point out that everyone is welcome here, as long as they follow the rules and the guidelines set in the first post. First and foremost of which is that disagreeing with someone else here has to be done in a mature, polite way.
 
If your response to someone disagreeing with you is to call them names or to feel that you’ve been personally attacked, this is not the space for you. You should leave now.
 
And if you’re looking for a hug box where everyone agrees with you, you need to understand that every one of you is in a space with people who are 180° opposed to your point of view. None of you are “right”, just as none of you are “wrong”. And “having a good argument” or “being right” is no excuse for bad behavior.
 
And “proving” that someone else is a SJW, or a Nazi, or a Liberal, or a Conservative, or [insert thing you don’t like here] is not going to get them banned, because it’s not against our rules to be any of those things. Our rules are about your behavior, not your beliefs.
 
So if everyone could please cut out the name calling and the moral judgements against each other (both here and in your reports), and stop it with all the name calling, it would be GREATLY appreciated.
 
Remember - this is a containment thread for people who, for reasons that completely escape some of us, are unable to browse a site devoted to MLP without also having a space to argue about politics. You’re in here with everyone from 8 year olds who are radicalized because of something their uncle said to retirees still bitter about Nixon, and the only thing you all have in common is that you choose to be in this thread instead of browsing ponies. Trying to “win” here is just pointless.
 
Please get along and at least tolerate each other, or leave. We are all weary to tears of trying to sort out the personality conflicts between some of you.
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What is the name of the book? It sounds like it might describe the economic history of cod.
 
Mark Kurlansky’s Cod: A Biography of The Fish That Changed The World.
 
All in all it may be pretty light reading, comparatively speaking. It’s some 234 pages of actual material and some-odd number of indexes and glossary stuff. But the physical dimensions of the book - or the copy I got - isn’t much bigger than my hand, if roughly the same size.
 
Some fun take-aways I’ve gotten is that Christopher Columbus may not even be second anymore to the Americas as a European, he may not even be third or fourth. Besides Erik the Red and his son with Greenland and Canada, there’s some interesting conjecture that Basque fishermen may have well been fishing the American coast for cod, which they then salted, and brought back to America; the Bretons may have also followed. And later Bristol merchants in a hissy fit with the Hanseatic League sought out cod fisheries beyond Ireland, which they somehow dried and salted to send back home and never said anything, when the Hanseatic re-approached Bristol to offer a deal on fish they were no longer interested. And when the St. Lawrence was discovered some thousands of Basque fishing boats were already in the area.
 
It also comes with some recipes, but that’s just some fun side-information.
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I watched a debate fairly recently where one of the guys debating claimed that “it’s not racist to say that sub Saharan africans have lower IQs than white Europeans.”
 
Yeah, I don’t think I need to comment a whole lot on how stupid of a statement that is.
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Let’s not speculate as to whether the case is that Hegel is correct, or the case is that Hegel is not correct. That will just lead to more drinking.
 
I’m more probably-to-subtly driving at the position that there is no right or wrong just two rights that must at some point come together in synthesis of one another.
 
Extending that out, that eventually this new synthesis will come into conflict with a new ‘right’ and the two will eventually synthesis.
 
And so on and so on.
 
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@Hypnosryan
Well, was he right?
Was there data provided?
 
If you want to get down into the nitty-gritty the only thing the data - namely: IQ - actually measures is the individual’s capacity to grasp western “urban” concepts. In proper psychological circles the entire notion of the IQ test is being left by the wayside as an inaccurate and antiquated tool measuring something that just actually can’t be quantified. But as a psych major friend of mine said, the only reason we keep this sort of stuff around is that Human Resource departments love to grasp to whatever concept that might possibly measure the quantifiable.
 
It’s surreal really, to see a test designed to make sure French kindergartners have come to grasp the fundamentals they were being taught so as to move on to full-time education turned into something that basically gauged how much a person knew about being things known only by the rich and elite.
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@AaronMk  
True, but for the staff it’s more … or less … philosophical. People are telling us we should ban person ‘X’ because their thesis or argument is “wrong”, or less “right” than the person reporting them.
 
But the metric for banning is whether rules are being broken - how people are behaving, not where someone falls on a political scale or what their beliefs are.
 
So, a lot of the people who come to us with an argument about the “rightness” of a ban based on the morality of someone else’s beliefs are already “wrong”.
 
In that context, a “right” conversation is, at least, not confrontational or antagonistic, even if it’s raving lunacy. And a “wrong” conversation is one where someone is being an ass to others, even if their argument has value and is well made.
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it’s just “scientific” racism. using “science” to prove you’re totally not a racist, it’s the thing hitler used to justify his atrocities.
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@AaronMk
True, but for the staff it’s more … or less … philosophical. People are telling us we should ban person ‘X’ because their thesis or argument is “wrong”, or less “right” than the person reporting them.
But the metric for banning is whether rules are being broken - how people are behaving, not where someone falls on a political scale or what their beliefs are.
So, a lot of the people who come to us with an argument about the “rightness” of a ban based on the morality of someone else’s beliefs are already “wrong”.
In that context, a “right” conversation is, at least, not confrontational or antagonistic, even if it’s raving lunacy. And a “wrong” conversation is one where someone is being an ass to others, even if their argument has value and is well made.
 
It’s probably worth noting I tore the sentence itself out of its context to meme about a little and deflate the seriousness. So I’m not taking this particular conversation very seriously.
 
 
@angrybrony  
@PonyPon
it’s just “scientific” racism. using “science” to prove you’re totally not a racist, it’s the thing hitler used to justify his atrocities.
 
Pretty much. But put these same high-IQ races in the same environment as them and they wouldn’t be able to navigate their world and suddenly that high-IQ score is worthless.
 
On the other hand, from Jared Diamond’s Guns, Germs, and Steel many otherwise tribal peoples like those on New Guinea would be as capable as anyone else in learning our bobbles and will still point out and use the proper woodland track to use to get to the nearest village, or flexibly bounce between five or more languages; where as many of us have trouble with two or three on our own. The issue comes down to relations between man and the material world.
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@Hypnosryan
Technically he’s right, but it has less to do with race and more to do with the fact that Europe has better and more schools than Africa.
Why did he say that anyway?
 
Remember that time that African leader man managed to pry his country to absolute independence from the west, proving they can be food independent while also building thousands of schools across the country to eradicate illiteracy?
 
full
 
The French killed him and his replacement reneged on all of that.
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It would seem that keeping something from someone as if to protect them from some arbitrary truth would be quit racist.
 
Almost as if to have some motive to make someone seem better to groups as with that knowledge that could easily study, learn and grow and actually have a higher IQ margin.
 
An IQ average can go up, but ignoring factual data would only keep these groups at the bottom, for some dubious means I can really only imagine.
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