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The original Death star’s defenses were mainly designed to defend against Capital ships like Nebulon Frigates. Like the other flaws, this was fixed by the second death star.
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Those are cool cause it’s actually thought put into how space combat works but still needs a ISD though.

Also while on this subject of negating Hyperspace fuck that scene in TFA where the Falcon comes out of light speed in atmo.
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Two of my favorite starfighters were pretty rare in the old canon outside of the X-Wing/TIE Fighter games they were developed for.

Cygnus Spaceworks XG-1 Assault Gunboat

What it lacked in speed and maneuverability, it made up for in protection and firepower.

It’s stablemate, the XM-1 Missile Boat

It brought Macross Missile Spam to the Star Wars universe. And before the TIE Defender project of the new canon, this was the advanced starfighter that had been personally designed by Thrawn.
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Well, lets face it, it only got made because the former "most advanced fighter" fell into the hands of a traitor. Plus, in the end, the Missile Boats got put away in storage so they’re never heard from again, leaving the Defender on top in the years to come :P
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Notably, the Tie advanced and Tie Defender were both purposely left in limited numbers to keep them from completely replacing the Tie fighter as the Empire’s primary starfighter.
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DC, Dark Horse, and Marvel all are allowed to have different universes of stuff happening within their franchises a la a multiverse, so really, why not something like that for Star Wars as well someday? Why not? G: Universe G is the main one, with stuff including all the main films that George and other prominent people from Lucasfilm were involved in(Episodes 1-6), and TV shows such as TCW and Rebels(also done by people working at Lucasfilm for the main continuity) substantial number of the Disney Canon novels(such as the Thrawn and E.K. Johnson books)the Dark Horse Son of Dathomir and certain others, the newer Marvel comics, along with the Darth Plageuis novel, Darth Bane novel, the games KOTOR 1 and 2 and Rouge One and Solo anthology films. C: works in C level can(and usually do) belong to a parallel universe, but in other cases are in Universe G, albeit as big side-stories at best. Includes most pre-Disney EU books such as the Thrawn Trilogy, Jedi Search, New Jedi order series, most Dark Horse comics, Nelvana Droids and Ewoks cartoons, fate of the Jedi books, and the 2000s Kenobi novel. Also includes most of the video games that aren’t KOTOR 1 and 2, such as the Pandemic Battlefront games, TIE FIGHTER, X-Wing, and such.
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Probably mainly due to cost – Advanced and Defender are far more expensive than the standard TIE. And while in the movies and shows standard TIE’s get shot down by the dozens simply due to the fact that they’re fighting the protagonists, I imagine for most engagements the standard TIE was "good enough."
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TIEs also were cheap and had the same qualities as Jedi Starfighters, which let to some theorizing that Palpatine was planning on making them cybernetic crafts like what happens in the EU after his death.
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TIE Avenger the alternate name for the Advance.
So there’s the Avengers the Defenders there was even an X-TIE.
Are there any other TIEs that are named like Marvel Superhero teams maybe a TIE F4?
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I don’t know if that was necessarily Palpatine’s plan. Rather, I suspect Raith Siener (the TIE’s designer) and Imperial military planners drew conclusions from the Clone Wars that, in the future, the most likely opponents of the Imperial Navy would be using fast and maneuverable droid fighters like the Separatists used. Therefore, the Empire should counter with their own fighter designs that favor speed, maneuverability, and producability.
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Well, if you’re going up against the named protagonists of the story, then no, you’re not going to stand a chance. :)

But in theory, if you’re a competent enough pilot, and your opponent is either a space pirate, a droid, or a some lesser experienced/newbie pilot flying an older craft like the Y-Wing or Z-95 Headhunter, then you should be able utilize a basic TIE Fighter effectively in combat. The design philosophy behind it is similar to that behind Mitsubishi A6M Zero – you sacrifice protection, firepower, and some systems like a hyperdrive in exchange for increased speed and maneuverability, which the pilot is supposed to use to their advantage in a dogfight.
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