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You mean all the slaves that were worked to death building a genocide machine?
Also the Death Star was an inside job.

Also I’ve heard the Death Star was supposed to be there throughout the whole OT but since George had so trouble just getting the first movie made he wrapped things in the first movie because there was no guarantee for two more which is probably why ROTJ needed to have a second one being built that it was always intended for Luke to have his final confrontation with Vader and the Emperor on board it.
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It goes like this.

ANH: The Death Star is the problem it’s the embodiment of the threat of the Empire. There’s the young hero learning about his father about the power he has but that’s not the main focus of the film the driving force is finding away to stop the Death Star.

ROTJ: New Death Star yes. Rebels wanna destroy it yes. But it’s not what the movie says matters that’s Luke’s confrontation of his father and the Emperor. Things have flipped what was the threat in the first movie is now just a backdrop.

It’s important to note that while both had a Death Star the way they are used is different.

Which is why I think Starkiller Base was the biggest problem in TFA and what ended up hurting the New Trilogy the most.

TFA: Starts our like ANH bad guys looking for a Droid with critical intel on a dessert planet and a local hick gets swept up in it. Same story beats but the difference is of course the intel isn’t plans for a super weapon it’s a map the Luke Skywalker that bad guys and good guys are desperate to get and that’s fine that’s a good enough plot. But then half way through it the movie introduces Starkiller the bigger badder Death Star that can fire through hyperspace(?) and hit multiple planets. Now the search for Skywalker story takes a backseat to this thing that’s introduced in a way that feels like it’s just there to tick a check mark than actually being needed for the story "the Empire had a big planet destroyer so the First Order must also have one". Which leads to the complaint that TFA is just rehashing ANH and thus leads to the next movie needing to be "different" by tuning ESB "on its head".
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Or just remember that the dark side of the Force almost made him kill the man he was trying to save, and seeing as how emotional Luke is due to him not being trained to suppressed his feelings like Jedi are, it would create a fear of said dark side, especially if it's going to destroy everything he cares about. The very thing that helped Luke save his father damned his own future.
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Or they’re trying to say "hey you didn’t like the way Luke was in TLJ well that was all Palpatine".
Plus in the old EU the future Mrs. Skywalker Mara Jade had "YOU WILL KILL LUKE SKYWALKER" rattling in her head for have a decade when the Emperor died so him fuck with people’s head even after being died is a thing.
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True, though I that had Palpatine live though cloning, and I still doubt that it will actually Palpatine that will be in the next movie. I could be wrong, though it's more likely a group obsessed with him, a group where his grip remained even in death, or someone pretending to be him for power.
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"Many Bothans died to get us this information."
It’s interesting that Mon Mothma has to comment on the loss of life for learning about the second Death Star considering the canon loss of getting the first Death Star plans. The died Bothans must be in the tens of thousands than.
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I mean, back in Legends the Death Star plans was acquired by Kyle Katarn. And other than a lot of death stormtroopers he got out fairly clean.

Now in Disney canon the death toll was still pretty much just a dozen nobody mercenaries and one wing squadron.
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In Solo Han sees through Beckett’s disguise as an Imperial officer because his armor has a hole in it and Beckett shows no sign of injure thus he must have picked it off a dead guy.
This is funny because years later (in-universe) Han and Luke would disguise themselves as Stormtroopers after clearly shooting some (off screen but we do hear blaster fire) but the armor shows no damage.
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Was it within his character to keep the fragments?
Cause he smashes the helmet in an elevator on the Supremacy and just leaves them there so he must have come back for them at some point before Rey showed up and Holdo’s lightspeed kamikaze so he could have them on him to reforge in this movie instead of just simply getting a new helmet.
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I doubt that. They probably wanted to get rid of the helmet for good in this scene but then later on thought "Hmm, people dont like Kylo's facial features…OH I KNOW, lets give him his helmet back!"
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