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I’d like to repeat, that the piece wasn’t a review of Doom
I stand corrected then.  
I missed the
Polygon gave a genuine review in 2016 for Doom when the game was still fresh.
part earlier.
 
Having skimmed over the thing now, yes, it is indeed pointless fluff.
 
TL;DR: Virtually killing virtual demons in ludicrously gory ways, or other players in the cartoony Fortnite, doesn’t feel the same as realistically virtually killing realistic virtual human beings.  
#I’m12AndThisIsDeepYouGuys.
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I wanted to share this video and this seems like the best place to put it.
 
We see this; companies shoveling out shit for the consumer with no worry of going under, because they have a parent company. If Marvel wasn’t under Disney and Bioware not under EA, they’d both have gone defunct. They’re both shadows of themselves.
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Eventually their poor profit margins will cause their parents to stop giving them their allowance. Also technically any company that ends up under EA becomes a shadow of their former self, if not already dead.
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Matt Lotter Admits to being violent
 
By the Way, WoTC hasn’t removed his store as a “Safe” environment and Google has been inflating rating of it by removing the 1 star reviews calling attention to his sociopathic and violent tendencies.  
Gencon banned discussions due to his prior altercations, and seems none too concerned with attendance safety, because they obviously don’t care. They already go the money. If anything happens. They’ll just boot the victims of Matt and scrub it clean.
 
“It’s okay when we do it to you, but disagreement is considered violence and hate speech.”
 
It’s called a CON for a reason.
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I don’t get why people got so pissy over him telling people to turn off Adblock
Sure it is cheesy but, guy gotta make a living
LOL. Mister Metokur is also working on “turn off that pesky adblock” man.
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Can’t have a differencing opinion, can we? Not like this kind of attitude killed another infamous gaming forum.
 
Looking about the forums, they probably deleted sever threads they didn’t like. Probably have one somewhere celebrating Jeremy getting assaulted and banned anyone saying that just makes them what they hate.
 
This site wont lest and only turn into another ResetERA.
 
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His irrelevancy was getting to him. It’s obvious on how he had flagged anyone disagreeing with him. Ironic how he complained getting this treatment to him, yet the other way around is okay.
 
Also responding to That irony.
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What aggravates me most is the historical revisionism that they’re using to ‘justify’ the ban. I’m on record for not particularly caring about GG, but even I acknowledge what they purport to be (ethics in games journalism) and not some made-up fantasy about being some sort of organised movement to harass and marginalise women and minorities in gaming. Yet that is exactly what the “new” Escapist is doing in order to appeal to the cool kids at Polygon, Kotaku, IGN, et cetera.
 
I find your comparison to ResetERA to be both ironic and telling, given that Evilore has mellowed out a bit on NeoGAF, ResetERA is the old NeoGAF, and the “new” Escapist is pandering to ResetERA’s sensibilities. Ad revenue doesn’t pay the bills like it used to, and SJWs (for lack of a better descriptor) aren’t willing to financially support anything. I can pretty much guarantee that in about six months, the owners of the site will transfer both Yahtzee and Motion Picture Robert to Destructoid, and shutter the Escapist for good.
 
EDIT: and tying that to the Mundane Matt thing, they put the kibosh on my thread discussing him despite insinuating an anti-GG position in the title. I guess you’re right about it becoming ResetERA 2.0
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These are the people that had such vitriol for anyone that wouldn’t tow their line, going as far as to put their ability to have a job at risk (If anyone remembers what happened to plebcomcs) Harassing them en masse.  
Look at how elated they are that Matt has been exposed as a false flagging hypocrite, I would bet you, post any article about an Anti-GG persona being arrested for any of the number of things they blamed pro-gg people of and you’d be perma-banned, because that hypocrisy is Verboten to discus.
 
These are the types that can only exist in a bubble of their own delusion.
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As someone who used to frequent The Escapist for years, I’d like to drop some words on the community there, and the big change that drove me away.
 
So when I first showed up there, it was a relatively high quality gaming community, as from the perspective from someone who came from GameFAQs (which is about as much of a hole as it’s always been). I believe the reason for this was the draconian moderation team, which kept a tight leash on what kinds of posts you could make. There was always a lot of criticism directed at the mods, which made the place look a lot worse than it was, especially in hindsight, where moderation has become significantly more lax, yet gets the same complaints to this day. Let it be a lesson that the existence of criticism means absolutely nothing, and that the important thing is the quality of the criticisms.
 
Which brings me to the main problem with the moderation: people who acted against the spirit of the rules without breaking them. There was always a few people who would be utter shithogs, yet not quite break the rules. What this ended up being was that there was a few people that everyone hated but couldn’t get rid of, but well-liked people who turned a little too toxic or accidentally made a too low-quality post and would get punished, and this created a lot of animosity against the mods for legitimate reasons, in addition to the rightfully-punished people whining.
 
The reason I bring this up is that it’s very important to understand what was wrong with The Escapist’s community before GamerGate happened, as a contrast to what it’s ended up being today.
 
So, GamerGate. The Escapist decided not to gag order the topic, unlike every other gaming website or equivalent. This not only brought the under fire from the emerging anti-GG crowd, but drew in a lot of new users who were only there to discuss (or try to stop the discussion of) GG. This was a really bad move for the community, because, at least in my eyes, the community was heavily split by the two sides of GG. The community was very well aware of the general shittiness of both games journalists and bad gamers, and The Escapist was sort of a haven for this community. GG asked them to pick which side they hated more, because, as we all know, having a nuanced middle position is unthinkable.
 
This broke the community apart. The Mass Effect 3 controversy was a very similar situation, but on a much smaller scale. Paid off journalists VS entitles gamers was quite the shitstorm on the site, and now we have that, plus politics! It was the defining moment of The Escapist’s history, and the community could have truly died. But, somehow, The Escapist community did not disintegrate, and I believe the reason why is a mix of people who wanted to save the community, and people who felt the desire to continue the GG discussion in the only place they could.
 
But now we get to the main point, the main reason why The Escapist’s community really died: the shithogs who didn’t break rules. These people were always there, but everyone hated them enough that the good in the community outshone them. GG changed that. By drawing a party line, you had shithogs that half the community supported, because they were on their side. And the toxicity from the shithogs started to affect everyone.
 
But there was something else. People who turned toxic would be much worse at ban evasion and would get filtered out. But the moderation team lowered their stranglehold on the community, and this is was a big factor in ruining the community. People could act much worse and get away with it, and the good people who got turned by them would have a better chance of dodging the banhammer. And eventually, like any community, this will drive the good people away. And we have the situation we face today.
 
The new Escapist wants to try and bring about the golden age once again, and are blaming the politics from GG for The Escapist’s downfall. But the real problem is poor moderation. Applying the rules in a consistent fashion does have the problem of lacking nuance in who actually deserves to be punished, but it’s necessary to filter out toxic individuals and keep the community angry at the moderation team, not each other. The fact that despite the moderators being more lax than ever in the website’s history, people are still mad at them for the exact same things as when you would be banned for posting a one sentence post shows this too well.
 
Regardless of all this, banning political discussions is a big loss. Not only because I don’t think politics is the main reason the site soured, but also because it was the goal of anti-GG all along. The goal was not to win the discussion, but to prevent the discussion from happening in the first place. After all, despite anti-GG’s insistence, nobody who actually matters really supports keeping non-straight white males out of gaming, right? It was always a smokescreen to distract, and thanks to The Escapist, it didn’t work.
 
I suppose that I was more bitter about this than I thought, considering I typed all that. I guess I should finish up by saying that The Escapist’s fall was attributed to politics when, in reality, it was a minor player at best. And a lot of “political” issues are just like this, like the wage gap, for example. People are all too eager to blame politics for causing something that has other, bigger factors affecting it.
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They’ve argued that it’s not just about SJWs, but streaming/esports as well. A lot of sponsors don’t like such blatant sexualization, and it’s a hard sell to get them into big events as a result. I don’t know how true that actually is, though. Regardless it’s a stupid move. They’re selling out a big part of what DoA is in order to get onto the mainstream stage, and everything about that is against what I believe in.
 
For fighting games especially. There’s millions of them. Anyone who doesn’t like the ridiculous fanservice can easily find another fighting game to play.
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The problem is that removing your current audience in the HOPES of getting a new “better” audience is a small chance with big risks.  
Whoever convinced them that people who have other (honestly in that regard probably better) option for e-sports would switch over to them either lied to them or is themselves delusional.
 
Their reputation for their past games is probably just as much of a barrier as any fan service would be.
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This isn’t the first time they tried to appeal to SJWs by removing the boob physics from DoA 5. That incident provoked a large enough backlash to coax massive backpedal that resulted in them releasing DLCs to bring back those traditional sexy qualities that made the DoA identity.  
Hopefully. That happens again and this is just yet another scheme to gouge consumers of their money for the sexy bits.
 
 
And WTF kind of BS “world trend” are they babbling about following? I dunno about you, but DoA has always been a niche series with a niche target audience. Following stupid trends is simply not the type of shit they should be doing.
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