The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things)

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@Exhumed Legume  
I’m not policing. I’m just suggesting.  
I am fully aware that i have no power to censor you. All i’m doing is asking you to be a bit more polite.  
If you think i’m bothering you, then you can ignore me if you want. Sorry if i’m taking your time.
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@SeraphimDawn  
Malaysian government simply can’t handle the truth about how Jesus’ OP corner wall lockdown technique can dominate all other lesser gods.
 
At least the demand to ban an offensive game comes from the religious for a change. Reason why you don’t let in fervent religious folks dictate what is offensive.
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@Cyborg_pony  
There’s a difference between a joke containing the N word and then actually using the N word as a slur
 
Pewdiepie used it as an derogatory insult, Idubbz used it as a joke to make fun of people  
I disagree with this stance but this stance is not hypocritical
 
Ethan was disappointed that his friend used the Slur as an insult  
Context matters
 
Also  
>stop being Ego-driven  
Nice spooks nerd
 
To those calling Ethan a hypocrite, kids, your stances are bad and you should feel bad
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@Commune
 
If you want to speak about context, then consider: According to my swedish wife, the word “nigger” doesn’t mean remotely the same thing to a swede. It’s never carried the sort of racial connotations in Swedish culture that it does in western anglo culture. Its equivalent in Swedish literally just means “black person”.
 
Swedes often use English insults and swear-words because they sound exotic to them. They use them because they carry moreweight, but they aren’t necessarily aware of, or don’t care about the baggage that those words carry because that baggage isn’t native to their culture. They used the words outside of their context, and in so doing transform them into simple insults.
 
The word’s use as an insult, by a swede, should be examined and understood in that context: as an insult, it’s only used in the same way that an australian would use cunt. Its use offensively is nothing to do with race and entirely to do with the fact that it would get a reaction.
 
PP would of course be aware of the other connotations of the word, but English isn’t his native language, nor would his thinking me immersed in English idiom. Watching the stream, it’s obvious how things played out: he threw the insult in the heat of the moment, then belatedly realised the additional meanings it would carry to his primarily english-speaking audience and immediately apologised.
 
That’s the context to be considered, if we must consider context.
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@Archonix  
He has been doing this for years  
He has been speaking English for years to his English audience and used it for majority of his content  
And the “heat of the moment” argument  
He should familiar enough with English to know that “N*gger” is off-limits
 
It isn’t his native language but since I’m pretty sure since he currently lives in London and has been doing this shit for YEARS, again, English should be basically his new language now
 
He shouldn’t have used the word in the first place, the fact its an insult he is willing to say is disgusting  
Even he admitted there’s no excuse for what he said
 
Despite all that and saying he wants to improve, he very nearly said it a few days after  
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[screams in German]
OK, I know Commune is gonna get pissy with me for saying this, but I watched the Bearing video about the gay marriage deal and honestly, I agree with Bearing with voting “no”.
 
Now, hear me out, Commune. I’m not voting “no” because I hate gays or anything. In fact, I think they should all have the right of marriage. That’s not the problem. Hell, it wasn’t the problem that Bearing addressed at all.
 
It was the vagueness of the bill. The uncertainty of it that can and will cause problems. Bearing isn’t homophobic and neither am I, but that new law can be abused. Until they figure out how to make it at a standard and unchangeable (also free of loopholes), it’s going to be problematic. It’s actually unfair to everyone else such as clergymen and business owners. Much like how America did their anti-discriminatory law, it causes uneasiness towards these people because they cannot choose their customers (which they have every right to except for now).
 
The gay marriage isn’t the problem. The law itself is. You can’t force people to accept gay marriage. Not when there are still so many people who are unsure about it.
 
I can’t, under good intent, vote “yes” either if I was Australian. And I know Commune’s gonna get mad at me, but I just can’t or else I will be the one who bears guilt.
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@Commune
 
That isn’t how the mind works. He is still swedish, still steeped in that idiom, however acculturated he appears on the outside. At moments of high stress - which an intense video game experience will produce - he will revert to his core. He will still think like a swede, in swedish, no matter how long he lives here.
 
As I pointed out, the moment he realised what had happened, he acknowledged it, but that required a conscious assessment of a non-native context. He still thinks unconsciously as a swede.
 
Just as my wife still thinks like a swede, and still occasionally misunderstands idiom despite living and working here for longer than pdp. Just as my brother’s wife still thinks like a Paraguayan, despite living here - and teaching english - for nearly 30 years.
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@Archonix  
This is an article that PewDiePie linked to which he says give perspective  
To me, I don’t think it is entirely because he is a swede  
Gaming culture, whether you like it or not, is very toxic  
The word “N*gger” is thrown around loosely along with other racist slurs as well as sexist slurs and ableist ones  
Fuck, I remember like months back I was watching a Scarce video(I constantly question my past decisions FYI) about how a famous gaming YouTube(not Swedish) used the N word as well as other slurs while playing a game while it streaming  
The best part ? People were defending him in the comments saying that it is just gaming culture
 
You know, for as much shit as I give pewdiepie, he at least looks like he wants to improve
 
Also for your Australia example, to me it just symbolizes there is still a massive patriarchal influence in Australia with misogyny being entrenched
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@Commune  
“to me it just symbolizes there is still a massive patriarchal influence in Australia with misogyny being entrenched”
 
See, here’s the thing, to Australians that word has no soggy knee connections, it’s the equivalent of our “boludo” or “huevon”. Technically, yes, it’s an insult, and one that indicates the person thinks with their dick first, so it is sexist, but it became so ingrained in the culture, it now became the vulgar equivalent of “dude” or “mate”, with “chabon” being it’s non-vulgar counterpart.
 
To summary, not everything is a fucking political issue, goddammit.
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@Deserter  
This. Like, have you ever been to Malaysia? People here are fucking racist as hell.
 
But that’s OK. Yes, we use stereotypes. Yes, we use racist slurs (many of which I don’t know of). But it’s part of our culture that no one gets insulted by it. Why would they?
 
What if, in some weird future, the word “chap” is racist to Europeans? And here we are, throwing it around like a British stereotype.
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@HJSDGCE  
Yes I can tell you guys are racist as hell due to the presence of many neo-Nazi gangs there
 
And just because no ones is offended, or rather, no one seems offended doesn’t mean it still doesn’t have harmful side effects  
Psychology is a thing
 
Gay as an insult may be abstracted from its homophobic roots but I still don’t use it because are fucking obvious reasons  
It reenforces homophobia, even unconsciously within the person itself
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Yes I can tell you guys are racist as hell due to the presence of many neo-Nazi gangs there
 
Just to clarify to everyone here: the Neo-Nazis are the least of our problems. They barely get any recognition as it is.
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