Proper tagging for AI-generated art?

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Note: this is not for artist:thisponydoesnotexist. That particular case has already been discussed.
Iā€™ve uploaded the following AI-generated image of Pinkie Pie. Before I upload the rest of the set, Iā€™d like to have some questions answered on proper tagging.
  1. Should I tag artist:artflow.ai to credit the AI or artist:ManyTax2860 to credit the guy who gave the prompts to the AI? If I credit both, should I use a prefix other than artist:? Perhaps ai:artflow and prompter:ManyTax2860.
  2. Since the images were given prompts to generate art inspired by specific ponies, Iā€™m going to tag the character they represent unless someone can make a strong argument why they should not be tagged. The not Pinkie Pie tag would be for the case that This Pony Does Not Exist created a pony that happened to look like Pinkie Pie.
  3. Is there a general tag for AI-generated art?
  4. The set has frames shilling for wombo.artā€”it feels like that fits the spirit of the watermark tag but not the letter. I currently gave it the framed picture tag.
  5. This image currently feels quite undertagged in general. Iā€™ll swing back between 8ā€“25 hours from now to see what additional tags were added before uploading the rest of the set.
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  1. If the promoter has a body of work that is unique then I think giving them an artist: tag makes sense so people can find or filter them. Theyā€™re using an art generating tool as much as people using PonyTown, and much more so in many ways. And tagging the AI helps people who want to find or avoid these, so maybe both? I donā€™t recall of the tool is an artist though, or something else ā€¦
  2. How about Implied Pinkie Pie or maybe character interpretation, like scene interpretation? Iā€™m not sure. At least, I donā€™t think it needs a new tag, we have lots of Art Style tags, and maybe just adding the art tool is informative enough?
  3. I donā€™t know, that sound like a good thing to have though. Maybe propose that in the general tagging thread?
  4. I thought for a second advertisement but thatā€™s really for things where the whole image is an ad. Watermark seems like it should work, though. Maybe someone else will be able to suggest something better.
  5. Thatā€™s a good approach! Thank you for thinking this through and discussing it with others before doing a large upload that would have to be retagged in hindsight,
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Wow, those are pretty cool! Fascinating. I like ā€™em.
  1. The way Iā€™d answer depends a lot on the way the tool works, and Iā€™m not familiar with it, so I can only describe my reasoning (which I thought Iā€™d written out in the thisponydoesnotexist thread, but apparently not):

    Whether to give a person artist: credits depends on whether theyā€™ve had more than trivial influence on having other people see the image. Iā€™d compare it with photography and fractal art (or other generative art). To think of someone as a workā€™s artist, I think they must have at least made decisions related to the opportunity and the selection.

    To compare with photography: suppose someone sets up an automated trail camera, then later reviews the images and picks the ones they think have merit - I could call them the workā€™s artist. Iā€™d draw the line if they were selecting from eg. someone elseā€™s webcam, or if they were themselves posting their own cameraā€™s output without review. You can also think of street photography, which increases the hands-on influence for subject matter and composition.
    (ā€œfound artā€/ā€œfound footageā€ is a genre where the extra effort applied to selection and manipulation can make up for a lack of influence on the opportunity to have created the original sources.)

    To compare with fractal art or generative art: while the specific output of such programs may be chaotic, an artist might have experience with how input parameters influence the results in general. Even if theyā€™ve just been clicking a ā€œrandomizeā€ button, theyā€™ll (hopefully) have an eye for good-looking and interesting images, and choose those to post. The opportunity comes from deciding to use a piece of software in the first placeā€¦barely squeaking by in my criteria, at least as long as their selection reflects a decent amount of thought and care.
    (If theyā€™ve created the program themselves, that counts for significantly more, to me. Iā€™d have been fine calling the author of thisponydoesnotexist the ā€œartistā€. I also disqualify people picking images from thisponydoesnotexist to share as being ā€œartistsā€ because those images were pre-generated and anyone with a browser could find the same ones.)

    Itā€™d also be easy to draw parallels with other chaotic processes like splatter painting.

    I wouldnā€™t credit software as an artist - thatā€™s one opinion I did post in the thisponydoesnotexist thread. Iā€™d tag it plain, like other software or like a medium: Blender, Pony Creator, Photo, Ink Drawing, Mandelbulb, etc.

    So, back to this specific set: how much control does this AI image generator give to someone to use it as a tool? Are there parameters to tweak, or ways to evolve/regenerate the picture? Deciding to use it, deciding what to write, and deciding if what single image came out is interesting enough to share: it needs just a little more to it to count as artistry, I think.
  2. I would tag them as the prompted character unless the output is unrecognizable. thisponydoesnotexist was a special case where the output was meant to be novel, whether or not it succeeded. (Note: the opinion I posted to that thread was that tagging strong likenesses with ordinary character tags would be useful and meaningful for users of the site, but thatā€™s not what was decided in the end.)
  3. ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ
  4. Thereā€™s the underused tag url. In general, I think of watermarks as overlapping part of the art - which I guess this technically does, but you know what I meanā€¦ On the other hand, across the internet, people refer to the extra banners some aggregation/repost sites append to images as being ā€œwatermarksā€ so maybe itā€™s fine.
    ā€œframed pictureā€ seems a little odd, referring to: irl framed pictures, in-context depictions of what are supposed to be physically framed pictures, and pictures incorporating framing elements. These would qualify under the last meaning, sure.
  5. ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ
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  1. For now, Iā€™ll tag them (and similar future images) with artist:name here tags for the prompter of the AI and also an ai:name here tag for the AI. Additionally, I created the ai generated tag, which brings up two more complications:
    1. IMO, the existing artist:thisponydoesnotexist tag should be renamed to ai:thisponydoesnotexist.
    2. ai:name here tags ought to have the same CSS class as artist tags and imply the ai generated tag (though perhaps having both the ai: prefix and ai generated tag is a redundancy)
  2. I went with the existing alternate character interpretation plus the normal character tag. However, this one seems like it would be decided on an individual basis based on the content of the image. I see implied character tags as more so for tagging off-screen characters, significant background details that imply the presence of a character, or a characterā€™s presence being entirely implied through color choices. Of this existing set, the Dashie & Twilight ones come closest to being merely implied characters. That all said, all six images do look more recognizable once theyā€™ve been shrunk to a small thumbnail.
    There is also the existing alternate character design. What is an alternate design versus what is an alternate interpretation seems like it would be its own separate discussion. My gut feeling says that alternate designs keep the same biology and structure as the MLP we all know and love but alter the details (add coat patterns, alter body shape, etcā€¦) while a full-on alternate interpretation may change species or be a pure AI monstrosity.
    I know there was a discussion of how sex-implying blocks were tagged during the This Pony Does Not Exist tagging discussion. Those seem relevant because they also have very little to do visually with MLP ponies yet they clearly are pony art.
  3. (gave my thoughts in 1 and 1-2, but Iā€™ll go make a post in the general tagging thread as well)
  4. Using the url and watermark tags for this set
  5. Not much has changed in the tags. It still feels undertagged, yet perhaps itā€™s impossible to assign more tags because the AI canā€™t intentionally add taggable background details, unlike a human artist.
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