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Merge "thin", "slim", "skinny", and maybe "slender"

Tagging Discussion » Merge "thin", "slim", "skinny", and maybe "slender" Search Posts
Snowy Comet
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As the user who’s been applying most of these tags and an enthusiast of thin body types, they’re distinct. They should all imply “thin” but they refer to different “kinds” of thin, just like the tags that imply “fat” which refer to different “levels” of it (“obese”, “morbidly obese”, “impossibly obese”, etc.). I didn’t get around to making a thread to have this formalized but now’s as good a chance as any.
This is how I understand the above and some related tags:
  • “slim” refers to a sleek, graceful, healthy-looking thin physique. There’s variation within this that would even benefit from more specific tags.
  • “skinny” refers to a frail, non-graceful, unhealthy-looking thin physique.
  • “emaciated” is an extreme version of “skinny,” looking malnourished and underfed (it should imply “skinny”).
  • “slender” - I didn’t know about this tag but I’d treat it as a synonym for “slim”. Using this as a synonym for “slendermane” and “slenderpony” seems inappropriate - it’s a common word for gracefully thin body shapes, like “slim”.
  • “lanky” refers to a tall and skinny (per the above definition) physique. It hasn’t seen much use here but would make sense to have it imply “tall”, “thin”, and “skinny”.
  • “willowy” doesn’t exist as a tag today but the dictionary word is the “healthy and graceful” counterpart to “lanky”. So, if we were to add it, it would imply “tall”, “thin”, and “slim”.
Related: I’ve been meaning to come up with a good tag for lean, wiry, muscular-but-not-overly-so builds that would imply “slim”, “thin”, and maybe “muscles” too but I haven’t settled on one and might prefer to figure one out in a separate thread. Maybe “lithe”? AFAIK, no tag for this body type exists today either but I would love to have one.
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Related: I’ve been meaning to come up with a good tag for lean, wiry, muscular-but-not-overly-so builds that would imply “slim”, “thin”, and maybe “muscles” too but I haven’t settled on one and might prefer to figure one out in a separate thread. Maybe “lithe”? AFAIK, no tag for this body type exists today either but I would love to have one.
I believe the tag for that is fit.
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@Snowy Comet
I don’t mind keeping most of these tags around in the context of different levels of skinniness the way there is for the fat tags; I agree descriptions would help get that across better.

If slender and slim are used synonymously maybe those could be aliased?
Added skinny as an implication for emaciated.
Added thin and skinny as implications for lanky, not sure on tallFilly Fluttershy is lanky but isn’t tall per se, but I guess she is the context of the other foals she’d be compared to.
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I believe the tag for that is fit.
I meant to reply to this sooner. Yes, this tag is perfect! I’m surprised I didn’t find it sooner - must be because it’s mostly been used on human and anthro art until now.
fit should imply slim and thin. Maybe also muscles? But probably not - I read the “muscles” tag as being intended for highly obvious musculature, which a lot of but not all “fit” art does.
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@Snowy Comet
I don’t mind keeping most of these tags around in the context of different levels of skinniness the way there is for the fat tags; I agree descriptions would help get that across better.

If slender and slim are used synonymously maybe those could be aliased?
Added skinny as an implication for emaciated.
Added thin and skinny as implications for lanky, not sure on tallFilly Fluttershy is lanky but isn’t tall per se, but I guess she is the context of the other foals she’d be compared to.
Thanks! I’m glad you support this. Responding to your points:
  1. Merging slender and slim makes sense to me. I’d prefer slender as the dominant tag because I find it more obviously conveys the “gracefully, healthily thin” meaning I described for slim in my last post. But the slender tag should be cleaned out of mistagged Slenderman/Slendermane images first either way. I can go do that.
  2. emaciated, slim, skinny, fit, and slender should also all imply thin.
  3. tall is a funny tag because tallness is relative as you said, and we have some edge cases like young Twilicorn. It also has a lot of overlap with long legs. IMO, there’s a good case for treating it as a “relatively defined” tag because tall,filly or tall,breezie are convenient queries to be able to run with obvious meanings.
    I suggest treating “size” tags, and not “tallness” tags, as the way to distinguish the heights of foals from adults or Breezies from ponies, where their sizes/heights are naturally going to be completely different. Comparing the “tallness” of an adult to a child isn’t very meaningful but comparing their “size” is.
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fit should imply slim and thin. Maybe also muscles? But probably not - I read the “muscles” tag as being intended for highly obvious musculature, which a lot of but not all “fit” art does.
Added slim and thin, muscles is probably the sort of thing that’d be tagged on a case-by-case basis. I’ve also noticed toned, which seems very similar.
  1. Merging slender and slim makes sense to me. I’d prefer slender as the dominant tag because I find it more obviously conveys the “gracefully, healthily thin” meaning I described for slim in my last post. But the slender tag should be cleaned out of mistagged Slenderman/Slendermane images first either way. I can go do that.
  2. emaciated, slim, skinny, fit, and slender should also all imply thin.
Done.
  1. tall is a funny tag because tallness is relative as you said, and we have some edge cases like young Twilicorn. It also has a lot of overlap with long legs. IMO, there’s a good case for treating it as a “relatively defined” tag because tall,filly or tall,breezie are convenient queries to be able to run with obvious meanings.
    I suggest treating “size” tags, and not “tallness” tags, as the way to distinguish the heights of foals from adults or Breezies from ponies, where their sizes/heights are naturally going to be completely different. Comparing the “tallness” of an adult to a child isn’t very meaningful but comparing their “size” is.
Don’t have a strong opinion on how the “tall” tags should be interpreted, but will leave this half open for a bit if anyone’s got any peace to add.
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Thanks for making the changes! I found two issues:
  1. A glitch with the new slender/slim alias - the aliasing didn’t apply to tags that imply slim.
    Example: fit still implies slim and not slender. Adding the fit tag to something, like I did on >>3140912, results in it somehow getting both slim and slender. There are apparently 24 images with the slim tag now, which shouldn’t exist anymore.
  2. It looks like the new implications weren’t applied retroactively. Is this by design? I wonder why they wouldn’t be.
Now, further thoughts about tag definitions:
fit should imply slim and thin. Maybe also muscles? But probably not - I read the “muscles” tag as being intended for highly obvious musculature, which a lot of but not all “fit” art does.
Added slim and thin, muscles is probably the sort of thing that’d be tagged on a case-by-case basis. I’ve also noticed toned, which seems very similar.
toned is interesting. I agree that its usage looks super similar to fit - that’s enough to at least give it (and toned female, which implies it) the same implications as fit.
Going by the words’ dictionary definitions alone (it doesn’t look like toned is actually used this way here today), I’d say that toned intuitively implies fit (+ all transitive implications) and muscles. It could be a good tag for “fit with visible musculature”.
But whether that distinction is worth having a dedicated tag for here, when searching for fit,muscles is the alternative, is another question I don’t have an opinion on right now.
  1. tall is a funny tag because tallness is relative as you said, and we have some edge cases like young Twilicorn. It also has a lot of overlap with long legs. IMO, there’s a good case for treating it as a “relatively defined” tag because tall,filly or tall,breezie are convenient queries to be able to run with obvious meanings.
    I suggest treating “size” tags, and not “tallness” tags, as the way to distinguish the heights of foals from adults or Breezies from ponies, where their sizes/heights are naturally going to be completely different. Comparing the “tallness” of an adult to a child isn’t very meaningful but comparing their “size” is.
Don’t have a strong opinion on how the “tall” tags should be interpreted, but will leave this half open for a bit if anyone’s got any peace to add.
Sounds good. I’ll have more of a think on this one too. A dedicated thread for defining tall and related tags may be worthwhile.
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2. It looks like the new implications weren’t applied retroactively. Is this by design? I wonder why they wouldn’t be.
Implications happen at the moment of tagging. Aside from just not being programmed to do it (which could be a pretty hefty amount of changes to make), implications are not always 100% correct (eg. shipping tags imply the characters’ usual sexes, because it’s apparently more useful due to being forgotten more often than it winds up being wrong) and retroactively applying new implications could create a total mess.
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  1. A glitch with the new slender/slim alias - the aliasing didn’t apply to tags that imply slim.
    Example: fit still implies slim and not slender. Adding the fit tag to something, like I did on >>3140912, results in it somehow getting both slim and slender. There are apparently 24 images with the slim tag now, which shouldn’t exist anymore.
Fixed.
  1. It looks like the new implications weren’t applied retroactively. Is this by design? I wonder why they wouldn’t be.
I couldn’t say the exact reason it was designed that way, my guess is either possible retroactive mis-taggings (especially if one adds the wrong implication by accident), too difficult to implement, or problems with the mass-tagger (You can usually only mass-tag about ~6550 images at once). Went back and added them to some of those tags, though.
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