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Hmph. I'm not convinced at all (what about "X domming Y" — why is one fetish more special than another? Or for that matter "X having sex with Y"?), and I'll repeat that a more powerful tag grammar is the solution and not exponential numbers of niche tags, but at least it was a conscious and accepted decision from quite a while ago so I won't argue the point further.
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@Alexlayer
This pic here


Literally have Rarity and AJ sharing heart-shaped chocolates from a bag that reads "Candy Love", but Cyan Lightning goes and removes the ship tag anyway.

Why do pics like this then, that have the characters merely standing next to each other, get to keep the ship tags instead? Am I the only one here noticing some serious double standards or what?
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@Alexlayer
You're the most obsessed, and that other image literally has the name of the ship superimposed on both characters. Also in case you hadn't noticed, FiM is full of hearts, everywhere; stop acting like there's a conspiracy against whatever ships you fancy.
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@Alexlayer
See, this is where you generally send a private message to the staff member (as the note in the tag edits implies) to discuss it. You could have pointed out that the source image it's cropped from has the ship tags on it, and since it's ambiguous in the picture, it should be up to the artist's interpretation.

In the interests of not being inflammatory, I'll choose to leave things at that and not make further comment on it.
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Okay, since a lot of people talk about image. I am going to address it here.



Alright first of that image is a cropped version of this image



I followed where that image originated and here's DA link, there is no tag that indicated shipping and the description while it's in the Spanish it's said they are "Best friend". I also look at "the Patreon link":patreon.com/posts/autumn-30172679 and the same thing also happened.

On the other hand the pic like this >>2147844, if you look at the source it tagged "flashset" "flashimmer". So it is valid for shipping tag.

Maybe next try to take some effort to look at the source and see if artist actually intended the pic as shipping or not
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@Cyan Lightning
Don't give me that nonsense. The history got deleted because of picture merging, but back at the time, you deleted the shipping tags out of this picture on the arguments that "they're just standing together" even though the sources had the Rarijack tag on it.

So don't pretend like there isn't a double standard here, or like I don't know where I'm coming from.
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@Alexlayer
You're forgetting that artist's word only holds sway if the theme in question is ambiguous. The image you linked shows no ambiguity—they are not depicted romantically at all.
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@Damaged
What's the difference with the Flashimmer picture then? That the tag is engraved in the picture? Because that one IS also of only two characters standing next to each other and nothing else.
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@Alexlayer
The fact that the show had them as a romantic couple, they are actually looking at each other, and seem to be composed in a way that makes them actually interacting at a social level in a manner that would be consistent with romance.

You could argue this is still ambiguous, at which point you look at the artist's intention and see that yes, this is a ship-pic.

The one you show has a pair of characters that don't even look like they are in the same shot, standing and not interacting with each other at all—not even making eye contact.
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There are over 3500 results for tempest shadow, -broken horn — some of which legitimately feature only intact horns or no horn at all (eg. humanized) and also some of which are just, IMO, inadequately tagged.

Of course, even though the character's official design has a broken horn, it wouldn't be appropriate to make her character tag imply it. But, is it also generally regarded as unnecessary?

Is there any faster way to go about mass-tagging and also avoid looking like a tag crusade? At an optimistic 5 to 10 seconds to view, confirm, and tag a post, that's a mathematically-convenient 5 to 10 hours of straight, unrelenting tagging.
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@Alexlayer
How about having some fucking patience?

A few days ago we updated the shipping tags to be more lenient with fan works, and it takes some time to filter that information through to everybody on staff. Yet here you are throwing a fit because we're not moving fast enough.
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@cheezedoodle
Well, I heard no news about that update, nor did I get any concrete reply over the topics I rose here other than people trying to shut me up or down. Dunno why you couldn't mention that updated policy on the tag here, for example. I'd be more patient if I knew things were being addressed, but instead all I see is Cyan continuing to remove shipping tags, and it's always about 35 lesbian tags for every two straight tags, give or take.
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@Alexlayer
Actually, I was the one who removed the shipping tag from the Octopath Traveler pic of Rarity and Applejack. My reasoning being what you quoted. They're just standing next to eachother.

The difference with the Flashimmer pic, is that not only is the source specifically dedicated to the ship, the ship name is literally on the image itself.
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@Alexlayer
I would like to note, I don't think I've expressed this before, but personally I discount portmanteau tags alone from sources because often they're just referring to the duo pairing, with a "friendshipping" image. I wouldn't consider the "#flashimmer" tag on the source of the Flash and Shimmer image sufficient either; their expressions are what put it even close to shipping territory.
And it's not healthy to get so worked up over which images are tagged shipping and which are not; we have to decide things in some manner.
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@Princess Luna
Fair enough. That's a completely fair reading, and I could accept that on itself, since I let go of the Octopath picture's tagging before without raising an issue. But the removal of the shipping tag on so many of 5mmumm5's pic, which had obvious romantic context, was getting on my nerves.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that this is being addressed, but up until like, within the spam of the last hour, the evidence I had — aka, Cyan's history of tags edit — suggested that this whole thing was going plainly unaddressed and just allowed to continue happening like nothing.
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@Alexlayer
Your concerns are understandable, but you need to chill out about it, and shipping tagging in general; tone matters, and you are very close to a ban right now.

Now, as the actual issues, the shipping tag definition I think still needs a bit of work (mainly verbosity how to deal with screencaps), but it was improved on your specific issue, and we will be trying to improve consistency in general on shipping tagging, but it will take a while to get it sorted out; there's only so many staff, there's a lot of stuff to deal with, and this stuff can get stressful even without being called out over it.
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@Alexlayer
You know, if you actually try to discuss this with calm minded I will try to open minded and try to discuss it civil. I might not have the best patience, I will try keep my cool. Honestly seeing this post it's just make don't want to continue the discussion further, look I am and the rest of moderators team are just human, we are not perfect and we make a mistakes too and sometimes the mistakes hard to notices. I honestly won't mind if you try to discussed this with a bit of courtesy without ramble like you did here. I would appreciate that and will try to better myself.
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@Princess Luna
Fair enough. Thank you, and sorry for getting worked up about it.

@Cyan Lightning
Sigh, look, you're right in that I didn't handle myself the best way. I'll be honest, though, I didn't feel like you would listen. I did DM you once, talking to you about how you were removing the shipping tag from fanarts from an artist that not only had romantic context, but were coming from an artist that clearly shipped the ships whose tags you were removing. You let me put the tags back in place back then, but a few days later, I see you removing the tags from pictures from the same artist, all of which I felt had more than romantic enough context to them, so it made me wonder if you even had listened to what I said when I contacted you back then.

I apologize for my tone, and I promise I will address things with you directly in the future if I see a similar issue again. I hope we can move on, then.
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