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"artist:kurosawakuro" should imply "base used"

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@Background Pony #E408
Base Used is really a DeviantArt term that we don’t support as such in our processes. For us, ‘Base Used’ is just DA slang for ‘Trace’, but the word we really use and depend on is ‘Edit’ (which indicates a derivative copyright) and the artist tag of the other copyright holder.
‘Base Used’ often obfuscates things more than it clarifies it, so personally I wouldn’t imply that tag ever for any purpose, and would instead imply ‘Edit’ and add to the description that the uploader should also tag the creator of the ‘Base’ that was traced or recolored.
In the example of , the traced ‘base’ is by the base maker ‘ElementBases’ - it looks like all their bases are from the TV show so the copyright ends there. That is, there’s no fan artist on the other side of that base who also needs to be credited because the work is derivative of their own work.
If the work is derivative of Hasbro’s art, then we usually don’t mention it. We just go back as far as we can see Fan Artists and when it hits something Hasbro branded we’re done.
But ElementBases does ask that anyone using their bases give them credit for the base, so the uploads here using bases by that artist should somehow credit the artist - either via a mention in the description (which is what they ask for) or by adding their tag to the image (which is what helps us with our processes).
I’ve added “Edit” and “Artist:ElementBases” to that image … that is actually preferable to just adding the “Base Used” tag since that isn’t actually functional within our practices.
So … I don’t think we should imply ‘Base Used’. Ever. But I think there are likely many images with this artist’s tag that do not reflect the true copyright path or crediting all the artists who should be credited.
Maybe a better solution is to add a description asking people to make sure they tag all the artists involved and also tag the image as an ‘Edit’ to mark it as a derivative copyright, and then work through all those images to make sure the appropriate ‘Base’ creator is credited as they would like to be, and to ensure there is no fan artist upstream of the ‘Base creator’ who also needs to be credited.
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Moreover, other argument against the implication is what if in the future the artist decides to start drawing without using bases?
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Base Used is really a DeviantArt term that we don’t support as such in our processes. For us, ‘Base Used’ is just DA slang for ‘Trace’, but the word we really use and depend on is ‘Edit’ (which indicates a derivative copyright) and the artist tag of the other copyright holder.
‘Base Used’ often obfuscates things more than it clarifies it, so personally I wouldn’t imply that tag ever for any purpose, and would instead imply ‘Edit’ and add to the description that the uploader should also tag the creator of the ‘Base’ that was traced or recolored.
While it’s true that it would be properly called an “edit”, there’s more nuance to it IMO - bases are intended to be edited. I wouldn’t call images using them a “trace” because usually the original lines are included intact, just recolored and with partial changes for detail and the addition of manes/accessories/etc. There is no overdrawing or recreation of the original, no “tracing” - the visible portions are verbatim.
I also think it’s valuable to tag, as the phenomenon (by whatever name) of using bases/dolls is widespread and well-known.
A mere “edit”+artist credit does not communicate either distinction. Those could be used in addition to another tag (ie. “base used”)
And, if I may say, they tend to be prolifically created and may have a repetitive style, which I could liken to a reason that, for example, “koikatsu” and “source filmmaker” are tagged but “photoshop” or “paint tool sai” aren’t.
But ElementBases does ask that anyone using their bases give them credit for the base, so the uploads here using bases by that artist should somehow credit the artist - either via a mention in the description (which is what they ask for) or by adding their tag to the image (which is what helps us with our processes).
Note, the original posts on deviantArt have the credit in their descriptions; it is the failure of whoever is reuploading those here to copy the descriptions over.
Moreover, other argument against the implication is what if in the future the artist decides to start drawing without using bases?
This is precisely why I mentioned that I’d normally call artist tag implications an overreach, but that account has not done so in the span of 3 years and over a thousand images.
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@Background Pony #E408
Good points, but for us when keeping track of how images are created, and when dealing with traced images and copyright disputes the focus is on tracking the copyright, and ‘Base Used’ isn’t a term we use. So that tag, while it may be useful for searching, isn’t something that I think we’ve ever seen as being an official tag that we would want to bake into any of our processes or add as an implication to another tag.
The ‘Base Used’ tag certainly is used by a lot of people though to filter or search for images. But it isn’t a good fit for how we deal with traces, recolors, and derivative copyright. So if we were to imply some tag, I think it should be something that we actually use.
And, like I said, in the case of this specific artist, it might be better to make sure that the artists whose work was used is properly credited on those images, and to ask the uploaders of this artist to do a better job of making sure they copy the descriptions as a part of the upload and credit the bases who were used.
I will try to do some of this over the weekend. It might be something where a large set of these images can be handled in bulk, and if there’s fewer than a dozen uploaders then I could just send PMs to those people and maybe add something to the artist’s description, and watch for more images in the future.
It might not be that simple, but if it is, then problem solved ^_^
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Good points, but for us when keeping track of how images are created, and when dealing with traced images and copyright disputes the focus is on tracking the copyright, and ‘Base Used’ isn’t a term we use. So that tag, while it may be useful for searching, isn’t something that I think we’ve ever seen as being an official tag that we would want to bake into any of our processes or add as an implication to another tag.
Ah, I see, understood.
…and to ask the uploaders of this artist to do a better job of making sure they copy the descriptions as a part of the upload and credit the bases who were used. …. if there’s fewer than a dozen uploaders then I could just send PMs to those people and maybe add something to the artist’s description, and watch for more images in the future.
You’ll have to flex your moderator power, because 90% of them were uploaded as BP. By the way, another high-count high-proportion base-customizing artist is venomous-cookietwt…they also put in their descriptions not to reupload their art, but they don’t have a DNP here.
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And, like I said, in the case of this specific artist, it might be better to make sure that the artists whose work was used is properly credited on those images, and to ask the uploaders of this artist to do a better job of making sure they copy the descriptions as a part of the upload and credit the bases who were used.
I’ve checkd the original descriptions on DA - most of the time, there’s nothing there, just information about commissioners and base creators.
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