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Unpopular opinion time

Latecomer

@Ring Team  
Other issues you have with the episode shouldn’t reflect on Starlight’s heroic deeds.
 
 
@Terminal Red  
If it was always only that, would it ever have attracted the same fanbase?
 
(And if you’re talking about MLP and not FIM… the G1 show was mostly not.)
Ring Team
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@Angrybrony  
To be honest, Sunset Shimmer wasn’t a character that appealed to me until I watched the fourth EG film. And, even if that film never came out, after being redeemed Sunset never did anything like this.
 
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Sunset Shimmer had ambitious plans in the first EG film, and not only she learned from her mistakes, but she also learned to face the consequences of her actions. She would eventually get some friends who love her.
 
And now that you mentioned it, in the second EG film everyone hated Snuset because of her previous actions. There’s nothing like that in the Starlight episodes since season 6.
Background Pony #6744
@Latecomer
 
Exactly. But that’s always how it goes. Anything good a character I dislike does doesn’t count. And everything bad they do does.
Terminal Rex

Going Indognito mode..
@Ring Team  
Starlights story skipped over the important parts of Redemption.
 
Her story was never about Redemption, facing the consequences of her actions, enduring scrutiny and recriminations of those she hurt and Making amends and proving herself. Her chickens never came home to roost.
 
 
Starlight’ s journey was more about the rehabilitation of a very dysfunctional person.
Background Pony #6744
@Terminal Red
 
Which I think is a completely valid story to try and tell. Obviously there are execution problems for a lot of people, but I dislike it when people look at Sunset and Starlight and act like Star’s story HAD to be like Sunset’s.
Latecomer

@asdtroi  
He really is the fly in the ointment (as I’m sure would please him greatly). If he was ignored, then the pony philosophy is at least consistent - accept repentance, but no quarter for unrepentant foes. But in his case only, they went out of their way to try and change him - and with an explicit justification of him being powerful enough to be useful. So when foes who don’t have that sort of power get no such chance, while he remains a somewhat dubious ally…
Background Pony #6709
@Ring Team  
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-Fair complaint  
-Not worth serious consideration
asdtroi

@Latecomer  
But should friendship and redemption only be given to those who are potentially useful? Wouldn’t that just give credence to Cozy, which Twilight disagreed with? I’d say that if he deserves so many chances, then Cozy deserves them as well.
Josh103

The show was nearly the epitome of wasted potential. The worst part was it even had amazing ideas that had to be, for one reason or another, scrapped. Particularly in the original version of Magic Duel.  
Is discussion of those old leaks still not allowed? I haven’t really followed in I think years now.
Latecomer

But should friendship and redemption only be given to those who are potentially useful? Wouldn’t that just give credence to Cozy, which Twilight disagreed with? I’d say that if he deserves so many chances, then Cozy deserves them as well.
 
Exactly. By choosing to risk so much on reforming Discord, the Manes arguably obligated themselves to offer the same chance to all their foes as long as it was feasible, or mark themselves as hypocrites.
 
(Admittedly, the decision in either case was Celestia’s, but that also goes to Twilight not standing up to her enough.)
Background Pony #6744
@Ring Team
 
Sunset’s arc is really damn cheap for me though. Same thing with DT’s arc. It works, but I’m more than happy to see the show try something different.
 
Sunset’s arc is to go from a villain to a completely innocent sweet heart who gets treated like shit by everyone around her because of the actions she did as a completely different character. I don’t feel like she’s facing justice. I feel like she’s being bullied, and it makes me feel sorry for her, because she doesn’t act ANYTHING like her EQG1 self.
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@Josh103
 
Considering the show is already over, i think it should be okay now, as long as you don’t start uploading stuff from them.
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