Unpopular opinion time

@Latecomer  
you’re right. nobody who wasn’t a villain did any betraying. discord, however, betrayed celestia, his friends, all of equestria, and even the legion of doom.

@DanielTepesKraus  
I see that you finally saw the last episodes?

@DanielTepesKraus  

 
What part of “go behind ‘Grogar’s’ back to destabilize Equestria” was “on his orders?”
 
They planned and did all of that of their own volition, not to mention how “forced to do it” ceased to hold up when he got backstabbed. It’s not really “entrapment” in a technical sense if they’re liable to do it themselves, let alone if they went out of their way to do it themselves under your nose. Destroying crops is kind of a war crime, as is this, probably. It’s not like they were ever under the impression that they were only hurting like six people they specifically hated, doing any of that, or something.
 
They did about two things “on his orders”: stay around “his lair” (the real Grogar should probably sue him if he still exists), and attempt to retrieve a bell at the peak of what he assumed was an insurmountable obstacle, the former of which was not even enforced very well at all, given the presumably long periods of downtime they had, allowing them to go under his nose.
 
He was foolishly neglectful, but nothing he actually succeeded in doing went past “you’ve provided the means by which this can happen and didn’t stop it.” Sombra did not follow his orders, and it’s kinda disingenuous to say the other three did except in the most loose sense.
 
Realistically, Discord, if what he wanted to do was get rid of everyone so he could rule, had opportunities at multiple points in the S9 premiere to permanently defeat the Mane Six, yet he didn’t, so I think it’s justifiable enough for the characters to not go “Discord obviously tried to both betray and overthrow us again” if they thought about it for about 20-30 seconds (Harmony itself seemed to decide he meant it long ago), and Celestia, whether she covered it up or not (there’s technically speaking not any proof she did or didn’t, regardless of if he’s seen pictured in a newspaper or not, so that’s not exactly a solid sealed case for “Celestia is a complete despot,” IMO, especially if she’s handing over the reins to someone else in short order), “didn’t exactly strike me as ‘being totally okay with Discord’s actions’ in a technical sense.
 
_{(food for trivial thought: Discord in the premiere was frustrated that Twilight “wasn’t ready,” the coronation put off, because that meant he had to put off his final test plan, and stall for time, with those three doing nothing… so Celestia and Luna inadvertently contributed to that two-parter, by indirectly allowing for those three to enact their plans via Discord’s negligence in actually planning on how to keep them occupied while he wasn’t watching over them… so the “safety net” aspect of it fell apart)}
 
(Either way, Discord is a rather reckless Q expy.)
 
And perhaps it would’ve been a better idea if they’d gone with the earlier draft of the Rainbow Blast turning them to stone on the spot
 
To be clear, I am not defending Discord’s actions. They were foolish, and him being a bad friend, well-intentioned or not, and one would really hope he beat himself up for years to come, and others didn’t exactly let him live it down.
 
It would’ve probably helped if those weren’t his last episodes.

@DanielTepesKraus  
What a bunch of hippies these people are right?

@DanielTepesKraus
 
I completely agree with this sort of response. Hell, we should have seen this when Cozy was sent to Tartarus without due process as well.

@DanielTepesKraus  
Woobification intensifies.
 
Within that comment section anyway. I don’t think you should have linked it :x

@Sparx  
Pretty much. Meanwhile characters that have gotten better are completely forgotten about.

People need to make up their mind whether they want villains reformed or not.

@Sparx  
If the show wants to reform villains it needs to do a better job. Don’t blame the audience when the abusive cackling psychopath isn’t received with open arms after 5 minutes of “sorry guys, we good?”.

@Sparx  
It doesn’t matter. If the Villain Trio was redeemed in the finale, then people would be complaining about the writers redeeming every character on the show, how fast their redemption was, how it contrasted with their behavior earlier, etc.

@Sparx  
The problem is that the show is way too inconsistent about it

@Sparx  
You say that like all villains either should or shouldn’’t be. And execution matters, too.

@Sparx  
No matter what route they’ll do, you’ll have a large portion complaining anyway.

@Sparx
 
Reformations are done terribly most of the time, but Cozy definitely should have reformed while Tirek and Chrysalis faced punishment.

@Spinny  
How come? She was their equally evil compatriot.

@Latecomer  
Because she’s just a child and doesn’t know any better, and because blah, blah, blah.

@Spinny  
Well that doesn’t sound fair

@AC97  
pretty much every line he said in the season premiere two parter was either “we’re going to attack equestria” or “do it or i’ll kill you”:  

they took on equestria, just like he wanted. only difference was they decided they didn’t want the asshole who was using them as servants under threats of death to be in charge of them. besides, are we really blaming them for turning on him? if some asshole effectively enslaved you, used threats of death and violence to make you do what he wanted, but then handed you a gun and turned his back, wouldn’t you shoot him?
 
@Sparx  
to be fair though, nearly all the “woobiefication” (i’m assuming that means pity) is all in response to one single particularly salty salmon who’s replying to basically everyone.
 
@Sparx  
i think most people wish reformations were done as a natural part of a character’s, well, character. not just done for the sake of reforming or not reforming a villain. it’s why most of the complaints are about the double standard nature of it, or how out-of-nowhere the reformations are. all the reformed villains had zero foreshadowing that they had any capacity whatsoever to change their ways or that they had any good qualities to them.
 
minor example, compare sandman from spectacular spider-man. he was a villain, but it was made clear in his introductory episode (before he was even the sandman) that he’s just a thief and actually not that bad a person at heart and that he doesn’t actually want to hurt anyone. so in his final episode, where he realizes what he’s done is going to cause a lot of people to die, his sacrifice to save them felt completely in-character for him. he wasn’t just running around trying to kill people left and right and loving every second of it, but then suddenly was like “oh shit i don’t want to hurt anyone i’m a good guy now!”

Discord’s a himbo. Or, he would be.

I think everyone should have their opinion about Discord as they want, but isn’t he just a victim of the writers? According to the motto, how can we surprise our audience again at the end of the series?

@DarkObsidian
 
Discord doesn’t have agency. He’s a fictional character.

@Spinny  
Chrysalis and Cozy are both unrepentantly evil, and rejected reformation, which led to them being stoned.
 
Heck, the only one of the Legion who deserved a chance was Tirek, who probably could’ve been talked around.

@Dustcan
 
I’m sorry if I doubt that given his ability to open portals to other sock-universes. His ability to break through the fourth wall, I believe anything is possible. ;-)

Discord’s behaviour made it feel like he didn’t want them to be reformed

@Don’t  
Oh, it’s pretty clear he had no such intention. (Although if they had been, he’d likely have taken ctedit for it.)