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@DanielTepesKraus  
That’s why it’s obvious she did quite a bit - as if the existence of Nightmare Night didn’t prove it.
 
And ponies are nicer and better than humans, for the most part - they have all of our evils, but diluted in a vat of sugar. (That’s something I decided after watching Over a Barrel.)
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@GenericArchangel  
not really. she becomes nightmare moon, fights celestia, and is immediately banished for it. honestly, even being nightmare moon “for an hour” is probably generous. we actually see her entire tenure as nightmare moon on-screen in princess twilight sparkle with zero cuts, from “turning into nightmare moon” to “sent to the moon”, and it was probably about 5 minutes.
 
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they also have a more idyllic environment than we do. humans would be a lot nicer if we were united as a whole under an all-loving ruler who indiscriminately protected us from all harm and had full unchallenged control over the environment as a whole.
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the biggest problem is the ponies in canon are by and large indistinguishable from humans. they have the same faults and hubris and weakness of character we have. a story with them just, by default, having a moral high ground over humanity just doesn’t work.
 
Especially if you act like the princesses were ever intended to be portrayed as flawless, when Lauren Faust said nothing of the sort.
 
Apparently that author said this at one point, regarding morality:
 
Superior beings - truly superior beings - can do things that if a lesser being, like a human, were to do, it would indeed be evil
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@DanielTepesKraus  
Which is why a sensible appraisal that said flashback was either very truncated, or not Nightmare Moon’s first appearance.
 
And we might be - it hasn’t been tested. I can’t say how much of it is nature or nurture. But they are ahead, because they are as good as we wish we were.
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more what i mean, is if you wrote a fanfic that had things like that it wouldn’t feel “edgy” or “cringy” in and of itself (unless it was written incredibly over-the-top or just plain horribly). it would just be shrugged off as “yeah they can do that because they don’t have to follow ratings. you could write a fanfic with blood, or say twilight dealing with the kind of trauma she could realistically suffer from such things and it would come off as pretty reasonable and acceptable.
conversion bureau is just cringeworthy and edgy to the extreme. take every bad thing i’ve ever said about the main character’s personalities and moralities, make it like 1000 times worse, remove all their positive to neutral qualities, make them genocidal maniacs to boot who are trying to exterminate the human race because they’re “racially superior”, and portray them as 100% the good guys who are 100% in the right for doing so (with the humans being “evil” for literally defending themselves), and you have the conversion bureau. there’s a reason that story has a massive hatedom.
Yeah… Conversion Bureau is something unbelievably stupid to play completely straight.
 
Which is why “The Conversion Bureau: Not Just Ponies” was made, and it is one of the best CB fics out there.
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you’d be amazed what people who “are ahead” or “civilized” will do to survive when the world turns on them and suddenly their choice is “do bad things” or “die”. there’s actually a really good quote, from star trek of all places, which applies pretty effectively to comparing ponies to humans. to say nothing of the genuinely horrific shit we’ve seen ponies do for no real reason at all in spite of how good they have it and the genuinely noble and heroic things humans have done in spite of being put in the worst environments imaginable.
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you’d be amazed what people who “are ahead” or “civilized” will do to survive when the world turns on them and suddenly their choice is “do bad things” or “die”.
 
“Their morals, their code; it’s a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They’re only as good as the world allows them to be. You’ll see- I’ll show you. When the chips are down these, uh, civilized people? They’ll eat each other.”
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@DanielTepesKraus  
Yeah - maybe they could. Fallout Equestira is sort of built on that idea. But a lifetime of socialisation in a happier, more peaceful society shapes someones character. Equestria has it’s flaws, but it could probably lay claim to be better than any human country to live in (at least if you’re a pony, and maybe even if you aren’t).
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@E-123  
now that’s going too far the other way. people are products of their environments, but as a whole are inherently good. i’m just saying that ponies who lived in the human world would act like humans, and humans who lived in the pony world would act like ponies.
 
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i would seriously take living on earth over living in equestria. our world has flaws, but equestria’s a world where you’re constantly at the mercy of god-tier demonic entities. think like if on earth, nuclear bombs had personalities and were constantly trying to set themselves off.
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now that you mention it, sunset shimmer came from equestria a villain and became a hero thanks to friendship with humans. in fact, all the inherent “evil” in equestria girls seems to come from the pony world, evil pony characters tend to turn into good guys from being there, and all the “evil” humans tend to be minor petty characters and/or characters driven by pretty understandable motives until corrupted by equestrian magic.
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@DanielTepesKraus  
I seem to recall a certain purple princess being there as well. Not that I’d know for sure because I don’t watch EQG, but I’m under the impression that another pony in disguise had more to do with that than any humans.
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@E-123  
the ponies. 100%. their carelessness, selfishness, short-sightedness, and greed has directly or indirectly caused every single conflict in that series.
 
@GenericArchangel  
twilight kicks sunset’s ass to “undemonify” her and get the element of magic back. then she immediately hands her over to the humans saying “here’s some friends for you to befriend”, and peaces out.
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@AC97  
there are genuinely bad humans, but they’re much more small-time. i think the worst human, in terms of what they’re doing, their motivation, and taking into account that they’re not affected by the magic mentally, is wallflower blush. she brings a weapon to school to target popular kids at random and make them suffer to make herself feel better about not getting the attention she feels obligated to receive.
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@DanielTepesKraus  
Isn’t that because the ponies have magic or some such bullshit? Like, that’s why the big crown thingy mattered so much?
 
Also why the hell doesn’t Sunset have a human counterpart? I know of Sci-Twi, where is EQG!Sunset? Or EQG!Starlight, for that matter. If any of you say “a gulag,” you lose your bread ration for the month.
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Many EqG characters don’t have pony counterparts. It’s a parallel would, not a one to one copy. If it was Celestia and Luna would have lived in the Roman Republic and died a couple thousand years ago.
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maybe? honestly the “lore” of equestria girls are a hell of a lot more loose and nonsensical than the lore of the main show. not to mention i’ve completely lost track at this point because equestria girls has become this complete and utter clusterfuck of shorts and music videos and specials.
 
at least looking at the four main movies, the major villains are either from equestria (the first and second) or were turned into monsters by equestrian magic (third and fourth). the human “villains” are principal cinch, who’s just sort of a bitch and pressures human twilight into using equestrian magic to fight the equestrian magic the good guys are using to, well, cheat, and filthy rich who “horribly” wants to claim land he morally and legally owns and does the horrific crimes of giving an extra week to pay their rent, being snooty, and honoring his agreement in the end. what a cad.
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