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@Broken Adam
 
He was blasting trees with reckless abandon in Twilight’s Kingdom, and he blew up Twilight’s house. A playground taking damage from the fight was a plot point in Crusaders of the Lost Mark, so he obviously didn’t care about collateral damage.
 
Oh, and he was later portrayed as being petty enough to give Cozy Glow the advice she needed because he wanted ponies to suffer, even if he personally got nothing out of it.
 
Is that really hard to believe, him being a genocidal maniac?
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@Broken Adam
 
That’s because there’s a side effect to the power he drains: he becomes dumber.
 
That’s why he didn’t kill Twilight and mane five once she gave up her power to him when he had absolutely no reason not to.
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@AC97  
My point is that he should have been heading to his old Kingdom so he can finally shove Scorpan’s Head up his ass as revenge for the betrayal
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@E-123  
Well, maybe Neighsay if you really stretch - he’s not a villain at least, and his edicts are tolerated by Celestia. Still an antagonist, though, and one who learns the error of his ways.
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@GenericArchangel
 
Speaking of which… She’s at least as precocious as Spike (if not more so), so the argument of her not possessing moral agency is bullshit from the beginning. She knows what she’s doing is wrong, but she doesn’t care. Thus far, she’s decided to throw more than ten characters in the trash, because she’s that selfish.
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@AC97  
more what i mean, is if you wrote a fanfic that had things like that it wouldn’t feel “edgy” or “cringy” in and of itself (unless it was written incredibly over-the-top or just plain horribly). it would just be shrugged off as “yeah they can do that because they don’t have to follow ratings. you could write a fanfic with blood, or say twilight dealing with the kind of trauma she could realistically suffer from such things and it would come off as pretty reasonable and acceptable.
 
conversion bureau is just cringeworthy and edgy to the extreme. take every bad thing i’ve ever said about the main character’s personalities and moralities, make it like 1000 times worse, remove all their positive to neutral qualities, make them genocidal maniacs to boot who are trying to exterminate the human race because they’re “racially superior”, and portray them as 100% the good guys who are 100% in the right for doing so (with the humans being “evil” for literally defending themselves), and you have the conversion bureau. there’s a reason that story has a massive hatedom.
 
@E-123  
actually, yeah. twilight wanted to mind-rape discord into “being a good guy” by using a “reform spell” and the child soldier was fighting for equestria.
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@AC97
more what i mean, is if you wrote a fanfic that had things like that it wouldn’t feel “edgy” or “cringy” in and of itself (unless it was written incredibly over-the-top or just plain horribly). it would just be shrugged off as “yeah they can do that because they don’t have to follow ratings. you could write a fanfic with blood, or say twilight dealing with the kind of trauma she could realistically suffer from such things and it would come off as pretty reasonable and acceptable.
conversion bureau is just cringeworthy and edgy to the extreme. take every bad thing i’ve ever said about the main character’s personalities and moralities, make it like 1000 times worse, remove all their positive to neutral qualities, make them genocidal maniacs to boot who are trying to exterminate the human race because they’re “racially superior”, and portray them as 100% the good guys who are 100% in the right for doing so (with the humans being “evil” for literally defending themselves), and you have the conversion bureau. there’s a reason that story has a massive hatedom.
 
Yeah… Conversion Bureau is something unbelievably stupid to play completely straight.
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I think the original author of Conversion Bureau just made it as a one shot, but it was another guy that took the original story and doubled down on the ‘Ponies good, humans bad’ aspect? Or something like that.
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@AC97  
a different way to look at it, is you could write a pretty dark and gritty fanfic without any characters breaking character, so to speak, just because the show actually does touch on some pretty dark shit, albeit very subtly because it is a kid’s show.
 
@Broken Adam  
i’m honestly not even wholly certain it wasn’t a trollfic or overly fucked for the sake of it.
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@AC97
a different way to look at it, is you could write a pretty dark and gritty fanfic without any characters breaking character, so to speak, just because the show actually does touch on some pretty dark shit, albeit very subtly because it is a kid’s show.
 
“Do Princesses Dream of Magic Sheep?”, anyone?
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@DanielTepesKraus  
People have been doing that since the TV-Y7 days though - look at Fallout Equestria. It’s a testament to the depth of the characters… is what I’d like to say, but I’ve seen dramatic fics for all kinds of kids shows. It’s something adults do to prove that it’s not weird for them to watch to draw out the implied layers.
 
 
 
@AC97  
Now, when it’s played straight it’s horrifying - see the fic “Grayscale”. It’s when the whole thing turned into some evil Celestia’s conquest scheme that it got kind of silly.
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@Dustcan
 
Some Chatoyance user, I think it was, they had the conversion potions set up to make you literally incapable of swearing or not being happy, and being absolutely incapable of violence, and loving the princesses…
 
Yeah… they got infamous for a reason, due to how their misanthropy shaped their take on the Conversion Bureau.
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@GenericArchangel  
i can not take that episode even remotely seriously anymore because this comic ruined it for me lol  

 
@Latecomer  
yeah. that one’s basically the poster child for dark fucked-up mlp fan fics. it’s written pretty well, like it’s pretty reasonably what you’d expect if that actually happened in canon.
 
@ILoveMyoozik  
i would recommend anyone who wanted to be a writer read that story. it is like an essay on how not to write “good” and “bad” characters and on how you can’t just tell the reader who to sympathize with.
 
@AC97  
the biggest problem is the ponies in canon are by and large indistinguishable from humans. they have the same faults and hubris and weakness of character we have. a story with them just, by default, having a moral high ground over humanity just doesn’t work.
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@DanielTepesKraus  
Lemme ruin that (hilarious) comic: she was also Nightmare Moon for a good while before getting banished. It can also be inferred (shaky evidence, I admit) that she spread nightmares as Nightmare Moon, so she has things to be guilty of.
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