Starlight Glimmer- What is the opinion of her still?

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After watching A royal problem, I have the impression that Starlight writers don't care about consistency in the show. As long as she looks good or powerful (to the point where she swaps the cutie marks of Celestia and Luna), everything is ok.

Speaking about being ok, it's also very weird that the Mane 6 as well as the entire Ponyville are completely supersticious about her. In Rainbow Rocks, every single student gave a bad look at Sunset Shimmer because of her previous actions. In seasons 4, 5 and 6, nopony trusted Discord because of his previous actions. In Luna Eclipsed, everypony is afraid of Luna because of her previous actions. So… everypony is ok with someone like Starlight after her previous actions, including manipulating towns and trying to destroy the world by time travelling? Really? That's… weird, to say the least. There's no self-awareness about Starlight's cuestionable actions.

But I think at this point it doesn't matter. If they made Every little thing she does (an episode where Starlight, after saying she wants to be good many times, does the exact opposite thing), they probably wouldn't care about Starlight's cuestionable attitude, which makes it hard to finish the season 7, let alone seasons 8 and 9.

But at least I loved some episodes, like A Flurry of emotions and Parental Glideance.
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@Ring Team
Hush. How many ponies know about the manipulation of a single town? Know how many ponies know about the time travel scheme? The Mane 6, Spike, the townsponies (the former), and anypony Starlight chose to tell (read: hardly anypony), and only Twilight and Spike witnessed the latter firsthand. And due to the nature of time travel in the show, since the initial event which changed the timeline was ultimately prevented, the alternate futures are entirely hypothetical, so in the long run, they don't matter. Not to mention, she directly apologized in person to those she affected. Whereas with Sunset and Luna, the entire school and all of Equestria, respectively, knew what she did.
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@Vivace
Yeah, but that doesn't reflect a change in her attitude. If you really want to tell a story about redemption, great. I love some stories that touches that subject, like Luna Eclipsed, One bad apple, Crusaders of the lost Mark and the MLP movie.

But, if you really want to talk about redemption, why would you make an episode like Every little thing she does? Why would you make a scene from Rock Solid Friendship where Starlight says she doesn't like to be judged after doing this?



I think it’s pretty easy to say she’s good and to sing “Friends are always there for you” while you forget what she did in the past. It's like saying Joel from The Last of Us is a cool character while you forget that he and his brother murder people.
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@Ring Team
Something I've noticed in your posts that bring up The Cutie Re-Mark is the notion that Starlight intended to destroy the world there. That was never what she wanted. She legitimately didn't believe at the time that the mane six's friendship was that important. The latter can be heard in the sarcasm in her voice when she says "Oh, next I suppose you'll tell me that "the fate of all of Equestria hangs in the balance!", and the former can be seen in her expression when she first witnesses the ashlands timeline.

As for ELTSD, I see that episode as a hard wake-up call that pounded it into her head that you can't rely on powerful spells to solve issues in a setting where magical ability frankly doesn't matter, and that it in fact usually makes things worse for you if you try. Up to this point, Starlight Glimmer would generally default to using magic on others if she thought it'd make things better/easier for her (I'm sure you remember the incident with Big Mac). After this episode, whenever she tried magic to solve a problem it was either on herself (All Bottled Up) or after some deliberation and even waiting until an attempt at talking things out didn't work (A Royal Problem).
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About that scene Starlight had with Big Mac, I'd agree if it wasn't for quotes like "I can't be friends with somepony who doesn't talk". Why would you love a character that says things like this?

To me, Starlight's magic is there to appeal the people who love power fantasy, nothing more. If you make a character that only depends on magic to solve problems instead of seeing that character doing his or her best to do the right thing, that's not a character.
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The point I was trying to get across is that Starlight Glimmer's dependence on magic to solve her problems is something that the show does consider to be a character flaw, and that Every Little Thing She does is the first major step in getting her away from that habit. I referenced other instances of her relying on magic to show her progression in this regard, from her pretty much defaulting to it in season 6, to her defaulting to it but on herself instead of others in All Bottled Up, to her not trying magic until getting the full context of the situation and trying to have it be talked out in A Royal Problem.

Also, I don't really see how power fantasy really fits into a show where attempts to power through problems through magic or brute force make things worse. This can be seen as far back as Winter Wrap-Up with the snow plow scene and even in the series premiere where the elements of harmony manifested through Twilight's new friendships, and it holds true in later episodes as well, such as Rainbow Dash's attempts to stop winter from coming in Tanks for the Memories.

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The point I was trying to get across is that Starlight Glimmer's dependence on magic to solve her problems is something that the show does consider to be a character flaw, and that Every Little Thing She does is the first major step in getting her away from that habit. I referenced other instances of her relying on magic to show her progression in this regard, from her pretty much defaulting to it in season 6, to her defaulting to it but on herself instead of others in All Bottled Up, to her not trying magic until getting the full context of the situation and trying to have it be talked out in A Royal Problem.

Also, I don't really see how power fantasy really fits into a show where attempts to power through problems through magic or brute force make things worse. This can be seen as far back as Winter Wrap-Up with the snow plow scene and even in the series premiere where the elements of harmony manifested through Twilight's new friendships, and it holds true in later episodes as well, such as Rainbow Dash's attempts to stop winter from coming in Tanks for the Memories.

And yes, I was the background pony who previously responded, sorry. Forgot to click that box.

Or you can look at Twilight brainwashing an entire town, or her making the Parasprites eat something else resulting in them eating the town, her attempted solution in "Bats!" backfiring by changing Fluttershy, or her fighting Tirek amounting to jack shit because he had the hostages card to play, or her only winning against Alicorn Amulet!Trixie through trickery, not magic.

Friendship is Magic in this show, arcane magic isn't, because the latter rarely solves problems in and of itself (unless it's a fanfic, and even then it conceptually works more if it's a team effort, tying into "friendship"), the former does. No one ever solos major villains and wins. I think ironically, Twilight came the closest to that in the S5 finale (Spike wasn't really that much of a factor in the resolution, other than perhaps moral support), and it was… talking Starlight down.

For that reason, "power fantasy" is a strange assertion to make, because I doubt someone is an ideal character to imagine yourself in their proverbial shoes if the point of them is that they're a screwup most of the time, that if you're not chuckling at how much of a fool they're being, you're feeling pity for them, or at least identifying with the stress they've either brought upon themselves or are around.
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Last week I finished season 7. In 26 episodes I still haven't seen a change in Starlight that indicates that she wants to learn from her mistakes or she wants to redeem herself. Most of the things she does or she says are activately worse, but the overall result wasn't as shocking as Every little thing she does because back in 2016 I didn't expect that the writers would do something like that.

In Rock Solid Friendship, Starlight says that she likes rocks because they don’t judge you despite what she has done in episodes such as Cutie Map and Every little thing she does.

In It isn't the Mane thing about you, she doesn’t empathise with Rarity and her hair issue, like "if that pony have a problem, that's cool, as long as it's not my problem".

In Uncommon bond, Starlight is annoyed by the fact that Sunburst is socializing with Twilight and Maud Pie (because she doesn't like not being the center of the universe or something), and she even is able to create out of nowhere very complex magic spells about time traveling and age regression like a cheat code from a videogame or something, which is very weird.

In All bottled up, Starlight happens to create dark magic and manipulate other ponies whenever she gets stressed (which wasn’t established back in season 5, I must add).

So overall, don't question Starlight, don't stress her, don't ignore her and always say "yes". If she's bothered by something, that's your fault, not her.

I guess you could say she got what she wanted back in Cutie Map. A forced acceptance.
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I like her. As far as reformed heroes go, she’s my favorite female who isn’t a princess
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@Latecomer
If I'm being honest, I don't really think Starlight's redemption arc past the season 5 finale changed people's minds all that much. It seems like those who were opposed to her reforming initially and those open to it simply found more justification for their opinions of her as the episodes went by.
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