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My opinion of her is that I want to like her but I think she was a wasted opportunity.
Starlight Glimmer- What is the opinion of her still?
EotD 
I beat LoZ:BotW!!!
@Background Pony #50A0
I really disagree with the whole “She a new character she should get focus” idea. Take Discord. He was reformed in Season 3 and then showed up in 5 episodes of season 4, the preimer, the finale and one SoL story and yet every time he was a supporting character to Twilight? Why shouldn’t he have gotten more screen time? After all he was a new character that needed to learn about Friendship. Or what about Celestia, you know the ruler of the entire country who has yet to get an episode to herself? Or what about Zecora, a mysterious member of a race we have never explored? Why doesn’t she get to have some focus? The whole “Because she’s new thing” rings really hollow when there are a whole bunch of other angle to cover for other characters.
And when you have the entire cast get worfed, brainwashed and just generally be completely ineffective all to sell your new character, you’re pretty much treading on the rest of the cast.
I really disagree with the whole “She a new character she should get focus” idea. Take Discord. He was reformed in Season 3 and then showed up in 5 episodes of season 4, the preimer, the finale and one SoL story and yet every time he was a supporting character to Twilight? Why shouldn’t he have gotten more screen time? After all he was a new character that needed to learn about Friendship. Or what about Celestia, you know the ruler of the entire country who has yet to get an episode to herself? Or what about Zecora, a mysterious member of a race we have never explored? Why doesn’t she get to have some focus? The whole “Because she’s new thing” rings really hollow when there are a whole bunch of other angle to cover for other characters.
And when you have the entire cast get worfed, brainwashed and just generally be completely ineffective all to sell your new character, you’re pretty much treading on the rest of the cast.
Background Pony #7339
@Background Pony #50A0
I really disagree with the whole “She a new character she should get focus” idea.
I don’t think you read that correctly. Let me emphasize part of it.
She’s a new character, so some degree of focus is expected in a season.
I mean yeah, some of these other characters you mentioned would be nice to know more about, but many of them have also always been kind of enigmatic side characters. Starlight being Twilight’s student kind of makes a little more attention in her direction a given.
Also, I realize (after seeing you say it many, many times) that the mane six being “worfed” is your opinion on the matter, but I really don’t think that it applies here.
Also, I realize (after seeing you say it many, many times) that the mane six being “worfed” is your opinion on the matter, but I really don’t think that it applies here.
lonewolf 
Which was pretty stupid (I think all new characters will be auto hated from now on). She was the pony villain the series needed when she showed up (and she did a damn good job of it).
@Spinny
@Background Pony #50A0
You’re forgetting one thing: If Hasbro wants to make her an alicorn to sell more toys to kids, she will become one regardless of what the fandom thinks, and DHX will have to write it.
U mad?
@Background Pony #50A0
What is? Liking her?Yeah, I remember back around when season 5 ended, and almost every single topic on that thread was about Starlight (even thought I made a thread to talk about her because hearing the same old shit be repeated on the same form over and over again with not a lot of people trying to talk about something different got real old real fast.). I think one of th users even called it the “Starlight Glimmer bashing thread” or something.
Which was pretty stupid (I think all new characters will be auto hated from now on). She was the pony villain the series needed when she showed up (and she did a damn good job of it).
@Spinny
@Background Pony #50A0
You’re forgetting one thing: If Hasbro wants to make her an alicorn to sell more toys to kids, she will become one regardless of what the fandom thinks, and DHX will have to write it.
EotD
This is exactly what happened in the finale. Chrysalis took out the Mane 6 and the Royals without a problem to show off how big of a threat she is, all to make Starlight’s journey all the more perilous. It is a textbook definition of a worfing of the cast.
I beat LoZ:BotW!!!
Want a quick way to show how dangerous one of your unknown characters is? Simple, make them do well or win in a fight with a character that the audience already knows is tough. This establishes them as willing to fight and marks them as sufficiently dangerous.
This is exactly what happened in the finale. Chrysalis took out the Mane 6 and the Royals without a problem to show off how big of a threat she is, all to make Starlight’s journey all the more perilous. It is a textbook definition of a worfing of the cast.
Thrond
@EotD
I viewed it more as getting the mane 6 and royals out of the way so Starlight has nobody to defer to and is forced to take charge. That said, I admit that it’s not my favourite aspect of that episode, and it does contribute to her threat level. Not convinced it’s a bad thing in this case though.
I viewed it more as getting the mane 6 and royals out of the way so Starlight has nobody to defer to and is forced to take charge. That said, I admit that it’s not my favourite aspect of that episode, and it does contribute to her threat level. Not convinced it’s a bad thing in this case though.
Background Pony #7339
@Background Pony #665C
From TV TropesWant a quick way to show how dangerous one of your unknown characters is? Simple, make them do well or win in a fight with a character that the audience already knows is tough. This establishes them as willing to fight and marks them as sufficiently dangerous.This is exactly what happened in the finale. Chrysalis took out the Mane 6 and the Royals without a problem to show off how big of a threat she is, all to make Starlight’s journey all the more perilous. It is a textbook definition of a worfing of the cast.
First of all, I am well aware of what the definition of “worfing” is. I would not have voiced the opinion that it is inaccurate without knowing what it meant.
Second of all, the definition you quoted kind of proves my point. After all, these aren’t “unknown characters” we’re dealing with. The mane six have faced changelings before, so we already know their capabilities. More importantly, the Twilight and her friends lost to the changelings the last time they faced them, so they’ve already been established as a legitimate threat prior to this point. And lest we forget, Twilight and company lost at a time when they knew they were facing changelings. Were they to be taken by surprise (which is kind of the changelings entire gimmick), it makes perfect sense that they could be captured and replaced with relative ease.
To put it a bit more simply, if the worf effect is establishing a new character as a threat by having it defeat the strong hero(es) easily, then it doesn’t really apply in a situation where the character is known, already established as a legitimate threat, and has already beaten the hero(es) once before.
Second of all, the definition you quoted kind of proves my point. After all, these aren’t “unknown characters” we’re dealing with. The mane six have faced changelings before, so we already know their capabilities. More importantly, the Twilight and her friends lost to the changelings the last time they faced them, so they’ve already been established as a legitimate threat prior to this point. And lest we forget, Twilight and company lost at a time when they knew they were facing changelings. Were they to be taken by surprise (which is kind of the changelings entire gimmick), it makes perfect sense that they could be captured and replaced with relative ease.
To put it a bit more simply, if the worf effect is establishing a new character as a threat by having it defeat the strong hero(es) easily, then it doesn’t really apply in a situation where the character is known, already established as a legitimate threat, and has already beaten the hero(es) once before.
@EotD
I viewed it more as getting the mane 6 and royals out of the way so Starlight has nobody to defer to and is forced to take charge.
I completely agree. The point of Starlight’s discovery is not building up the changelings as a threat, because (as I mentioned previously) we already know they are. The actual point is to place Starlight in a situation where she cannot trust anyone else to help, but must instead gather the few individuals she knows aren’t a threat and use what she has learned about friendship to face her fears and save the day.
That said, I admit that it’s not my favourite aspect of that episode, and it does contribute to her threat level.
I can’t comment about it being a favorite aspect, but I do think it is effective. Changelings always did inspire a sense of paranoia in their role as villains, after all, and that sense of not knowing who may or may not be on your side makes for some tense possibilities.
Not convinced it’s a bad thing in this case though.
Well, even TV Tropes points out that not all tropes are bad.
EotD
I beat LoZ:BotW!!!
@Background Pony #665C
You are arguing semantics. The point of it is for the writers established the villains as a threat by taking out a strong hero, in this case the Mane 6. That is the point of the worf effects.
And it does not make sense as to how they were replaced so we have no information on the subject and only have conjecture and headcanons. I could equally say they were all lead into a cage with a candy trail and it’s as equally plausible as your headcanon on the matter.
You are arguing semantics. The point of it is for the writers established the villains as a threat by taking out a strong hero, in this case the Mane 6. That is the point of the worf effects.
And it does not make sense as to how they were replaced so we have no information on the subject and only have conjecture and headcanons. I could equally say they were all lead into a cage with a candy trail and it’s as equally plausible as your headcanon on the matter.
EotD
I beat LoZ:BotW!!!
@Thrond
I don’t think she needed the role and even so she could have easily still had it with the Mane 6 there to help her.
To an extent, but there the Mane 6 are still active participants with agency in the story, not so much in the finale
(Assuming you are talking about Return of Harmony. Sorry if I misunderstood)
I don’t think she needed the role and even so she could have easily still had it with the Mane 6 there to help her.
To an extent, but there the Mane 6 are still active participants with agency in the story, not so much in the finale
(Assuming you are talking about Return of Harmony. Sorry if I misunderstood)
Background Pony #53BF
@Background Pony #665C
You are arguing semantics. The point of it is for the writers established the villains as a threat by taking out a strong hero, in this case the Mane 6. That is the point of the worf effects.
Except they don’t need to do that here, because the writers don’t need to establish that. We’ve already seen the episode where the changelings first make their appearance. We already know they are a threat who have taken down the mane six before. There is nothing the writers need to do to make the changelings appear threatening aside from having them show up at all. Instead, what it does do is make it clear that Starlight can’t trust anyone outside her little group, and that they are the ones who will have to attempt a rescue.
And it does not make sense as to how they were replaced so we have no information on the subject and only have conjecture and headcanons.
True, but that’s part of the fun in my opinion. Besides, not revealing what happened is a part of what moves the story forward. The discovery just wouldn’t have the same impact with 5 minutes of watching Twilight and her friends get captured. The unspoken, unanswered questions “how many have been replaced?” and “who here is still an ally or friend?” really set the tone.
I could equally say they were all lead into a cage with a candy trail and it’s as equally plausible as your headcanon on the matter.
Actually, I could see them getting Pinkie Pie that way. Even if she knew it was changelings, that girl cannot resist free candy.
EotD
I beat LoZ:BotW!!!
@Background Pony #50A0
They do need to do it to reestablish them. Remember this is NOT a serialized show, the writers don’t expect the target audience to remember every episode. It’s why so many episode in the latter season have so much exposition going on. We, the non target adult audience may remember but they need to reestablish the threat the changelings pose for the normal audience.
And too bad that tone didn’t last more than two minutes before they completely ditched it. Those stories about assimilation and take over like the Thing and Body Snatchers keep the focus on that, that is the big plot point. Not here. It’s just a way to get the Mane 6 out of the picture so Starlight and crew can save the day. They get rid of that whole “Who can I trust” thing right after Starlight talks to Trixie
They do need to do it to reestablish them. Remember this is NOT a serialized show, the writers don’t expect the target audience to remember every episode. It’s why so many episode in the latter season have so much exposition going on. We, the non target adult audience may remember but they need to reestablish the threat the changelings pose for the normal audience.
And too bad that tone didn’t last more than two minutes before they completely ditched it. Those stories about assimilation and take over like the Thing and Body Snatchers keep the focus on that, that is the big plot point. Not here. It’s just a way to get the Mane 6 out of the picture so Starlight and crew can save the day. They get rid of that whole “Who can I trust” thing right after Starlight talks to Trixie
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lonewolf
U mad?
LOL EqD started an alicorn Glimmy pic’ that turned into a bit of a discussion , and I guess someone on /mlp/ posted my idea there yesterday (didn’t see it but I did see another alicorn rage thread).
Background Pony #E43C
People better learn to at least tolerate her, because Glimmercorn is coming at the end of this season. It’s pretty obvious since she’s been going down Twilight’s own path, and her ascension would mark Twilight’s ultimate success at being a teacher. Plus it’s likely she’d be shipped off somewhere (since her time under Twilight would be over, it’s not like she’d keep living with her), just in time for the movie. Which would conveniently explain why she’s probably not going to be in it, outside of maybe a cameo.
Also, it’s going to annoy some Sunset fans to no end. Better start hunkering down now for the inevitable fallout.
Also, it’s going to annoy some Sunset fans to no end. Better start hunkering down now for the inevitable fallout.
Thrond
@Background Pony #3E55
I’m really not convinced that she’s ready for the whole alicorn boost yet. Twilight took three seasons to reach that point, and Starlight is starting from much further behind than Twilight did. If Glimmercorn happens in S7, it’ll be awfully sudden. ‘Course, this is from someone who thought Twilight’s ascension was way too sudden and not entirely deserved, so adjust accordingly, I guess.
I’m really not convinced that she’s ready for the whole alicorn boost yet. Twilight took three seasons to reach that point, and Starlight is starting from much further behind than Twilight did. If Glimmercorn happens in S7, it’ll be awfully sudden. ‘Course, this is from someone who thought Twilight’s ascension was way too sudden and not entirely deserved, so adjust accordingly, I guess.
Spinny 
Starlight managing to reform Chrysalis would more or less have the same effect, and that seems far more likely.
Granted, I don’t want either to happen. Hell, I don’t even want Twilight to have the satisfaction that she’s a good mentor, because in my honest opinion, she’s been a pretty terrible mentor thus far. Still, there’s absolutely no reason to believe that Glimmercorn will ever be a thing.
Resident Spin Fetishist
It’s pretty obvious since she’s been going down Twilight’s own path, and her ascension would mark Twilight’s ultimate success at being a teacher.
Starlight managing to reform Chrysalis would more or less have the same effect, and that seems far more likely.
Granted, I don’t want either to happen. Hell, I don’t even want Twilight to have the satisfaction that she’s a good mentor, because in my honest opinion, she’s been a pretty terrible mentor thus far. Still, there’s absolutely no reason to believe that Glimmercorn will ever be a thing.
Josh103 
Starlight is a character that, much like Twilight and Sunset, I could write paragraphs about.
I will merely say this: Starlight would’ve been such a better character to me if Twilight was still a unicorn. Yes, this is probably nitpicking.
@Jarkes
She only voices the character. I do believe Meghan did say at a con that Starlight would have to earn her ascension.
I will merely say this: Starlight would’ve been such a better character to me if Twilight was still a unicorn. Yes, this is probably nitpicking.
@Jarkes
She only voices the character. I do believe Meghan did say at a con that Starlight would have to earn her ascension.
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